the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

It's been brought up on a few occasions including the last thread about Yang Shouzhong's students: most lkj people are completely devoid of real skill, however, there are a few people with skill that do it. Indeed a few are even highly skilled. What's up with that?

It's their students! How does the saying go, masters and disciples mutually enslave each other. Surround a normal sized human ego with a bunch of people who are hero seekers/worshipers and sure enough they'll get the mystical experience they desire whether it's really there or not.

Of course.

BTDT

Is LKJ mystical? And how is it mystical?
This might help out on some other threads?

Don't we have a telekinesis forum on the board somewhere? Oh yeah, right.....it's called BTDT.

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What's LKJ?

kshurika wrote:What's LKJ?

ling kong jing

Has anyone really experienced the result of LKJ from another person? This may be a good starting point to reasonably answer ShortFormMike.

karlson wrote:

kshurika wrote:What's LKJ?

ling kong jing

It stands for Lusty Klingon John.

I wish people would get these things right!

No, karlson....no one has really experienced the result of LKJ from another person. Martial telekinesis does not exist. ShortFormMike can now consider himself fully answered.

And, uh.....oh yeah........BTDT.

Chris_McKinley wrote:And, uh.....oh yeah........BTDT.

exactly

Karlson:

I have - sort of.

I was training under a very good gongfu master in South Korea about a decade ago - this guy had real skills, but was getting very interested in qigong and had a lot of students who were training that stuff. I was training with him privately in Bagau and he asked if I wanted to experience the no-touch force. Naturally, I said yes. We were alone in his school. He stood about 10 feet in front of me and I just stood in a neutral stance. I said 'I will close my eyes' (I have read about hypnotism) and waited to be pushed or thrown. Well, nothing happened. So then I did it with eyes open. He was making all the appropriate hand movements - nothing. He just kind of shrugged and so did I; I did not pursue it. (Frankly, I would have loved for it to have worked) and continued training with him in orthodox CMA for a year or so more.

Interestingly, he COULD make his local students fall down with no trouble with this trick.

IHMO, it is all in the mind and if you WANT to believe enough, you will. I, alas, remain a skeptic at heart.

It's all social-psychological manipulation. Some people can be awed into responding, which is why you often see this stuff paired with sifu worship. Anyone who offers this stuff as more than a psychological parlor trick, though, stands revealed as a martial fraud.

And it's too bad, for I would like LKJ to exist. It would be very useful if it did; for example, it would be a great boon to infantry if they didn't have to carry their weapons and all that ammo.

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