CaliG wrote:DeusTrismegistus wrote:Just because something has injuries in its competitions does not mean that there are not even more dangerous techniques that are not allowed. It is also simply common sense that when the focus of practice becomes to win competitions then techniques that are not allowed in competitions fall by the wayside and eventually disappear. Yes the legal SC and Judo techniques are dangerous, but is stupid to assume that the illegal moves are somehow not more dangerous, if they weren't more dangerous then they would be legal.
I'm just curious have you ever been in a Sc, judo, wrestling or bjj competition?
Because those guys have some serious moves that could easily be adjusted to cause someone some serious harm. Take the fireman's carry for example you could easily drop someone on their head with that move, but thank goodness in competition when people do it they pull the head to their body so that the opponent doesn't spend the rest of the week in the hospital
I can remember once in bjj when a friend of mine caught a new up and coming player in a biceps slicer. The other guy felt the pain but didn't think it could cause him any real harm so he didn't tap and the two bones in his forearm snapped. At the time all the students in the school were in shock but then we started to remember that although rolling can be like a game these techniques were meant to maim.
Also I don't know why there are guys on here claiming that judo is somehow watering down things, because most judo instructors I have trained with also knew Japanese jujitsu, small circle jujitsu and (with my current teacher) combat sambo. But I usually their judo classes because the focus was very clear how to throw.
I'd also add that Crosley Gracie teaches the classical Japanese system of jujitsu the Gracies were taught.
So the dangerous moves are there but we don't use them in competition, I suppose you could ask what's the point in which case I'll refer you to this thread.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=568 Basically the idea is that you are going against with someone who doesn't want to allow you do your moves, no it's not a real fight, but it's the closest thing to a real fight against someone who has some fighting skill. (Even the streets can't guarantee that.)
You don't pay much attention around here do you? I posted a whole thread about how I performed at the Shuai Jiao nationals in april.
JAB wrote:I love it when someone starts talking about how "deadly" their art is!!! It is almost as laudible as those stories back in the day about registering your fists as lethal weapons!!
You guys are silly
Fubo wrote:JAB wrote:I love it when someone starts talking about how "deadly" their art is!!! It is almost as laudible as those stories back in the day about registering your fists as lethal weapons!!
You guys are silly
I don't know if your comments were directed at everybody here, but I was merely saying that the techniques that are safer to practice in competition are not less dangerous then so called too "deadly" to spar with techniques, but some how can be more so as you can train them with full force and commitment.
CaliG wrote:Fubo wrote:JAB wrote:I love it when someone starts talking about how "deadly" their art is!!! It is almost as laudible as those stories back in the day about registering your fists as lethal weapons!!
You guys are silly
I don't know if your comments were directed at everybody here, but I was merely saying that the techniques that are safer to practice in competition are not less dangerous then so called too "deadly" to spar with techniques, but some how can be more so as you can train them with full force and commitment.
Good point Fubo. I remember when I visited a combat sambo class in Poland and one of the things they showed me was that you can take some throws and pick-ups and then instead of dropping them on the ground in front of you you raise one knee and drop their torso on it.
I don't know the name of the throw, but I've seen it a lot. Basically one hand is behind your opponent's head, the other hand shoots between their legs you pick them up, they're horizontal to the ground and...
Also I don't know why there are guys on here claiming that judo is somehow watering down things, because most judo instructors I have trained with also knew Japanese jujitsu, small circle jujitsu and (with my current teacher) combat sambo. But I usually their judo classes because the focus was very clear how to throw.
I'd also add that Crosley Gracie teaches the classical Japanese system of jujitsu the Gracies were taught.
So the dangerous moves are there but we don't use them in competition
Yes and no one who does koryu jujutsu has ever been cut with a knife right? Check this out http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopi ... =0&start=0
CaliG wrote:Btw, the proper response to a knife is a gun
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