internalenthusiast wrote:yes, thanks michael, for your updates.
You're welcome
internalenthusiast wrote:yes, thanks michael, for your updates.
so we have to force the truth into the public domain in order to prevent future problems.
We've got to pressure on the government to reveal actual radiation detection of all types related to the Fukushima catastrophe and prevent them from: turning off the detectors, changing safe levels in order to obscure health hazards, failing to report radiation, etc.
We also need to specifically be aware of which food products and water are dangerous to consume, whether they're from Japan, the Pacific, or from areas of the USA or other places contaminated by the Fukushima problem.
Steve James wrote:So, apart from being frightened, what should we do (or be done) today and in the future?
Michael wrote:
Interloper wrote:Michael, in regards to the contaminated drinking water -- In Tokyo, tap water was declared safe for adults and older children but not for infants. A few days later, it was "cleared" to be safe for infants as well. I wonder whether it was just government "fact-revision," or whether the tap water in Tokyo was filtered to remove radioactive particles.
Steve James wrote:"We" can't do that because "we" don't know the "truth". In this specific case, we do not know the extent of the problem. We can't know that until someone actually puts eyes on the core or source of the problem. Job one is fixing the problem, not fixing the blame. It is even more critical if there are other potential problem areas.
Steve James wrote:However, if radiation (increases) can be detected worldwide, and they go up in your area, what will happen if everyone simply stops using products from the Pacific? In fact, it might cause even greater health risks and economic costs. Hawaii is totally fracked; they gotta be getting 2x as much as Cali. Only pineapples from Mexico now, I guess.
internalenthusiast wrote:interloper, speaking to your point above. other than the red cross, are there ways we can help?
i think someone posted something where we could, a while ago. but, i looked for it and couldn't find it. i wanted to re-post it, but couldn't find it.
best...
The relief organization has distributed none of the $1 billion it has collected. The chief Cabinet secretary says the process must be streamlined.
Japan's Red Cross has collected more than $1 billion in the first three weeks after the massive earthquake and tsunami but has yet to distribute any funds directly to victims, prompting Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano to urge Sunday that the process be accelerated.
Are you suggesting people should eat unsafe food because the costs to the economy or their health of not eating it are too great? Can you clarify this?
Sunday, April 10, 2011
U.S. mulls rethink of 80-km evac zone
WASHINGTON (Kyodo) U.S. nuclear regulators may revise the evacuation advisory for Americans living within an 80-km radius of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant as radioactive substances in areas beyond 40 km of the stricken facility have subsided to levels that require no flight, officials said Friday.
The U.S. Energy Department compiled the evaluation report based on radiation data jointly observed by Japan and the United States near the plant in the quake-hit northeast.
The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission issued an evacuation advisory for Americans living within an 80-km radius of the troubled plant on March 16. The decision was based on the assumption that fuel at the No. 2 reactor at the plant was completely damaged, not on observational data.
Based on the limited data it had at the time, the NRC may have overestimated the levels of radioactive substances that would leak from the nuclear plant.
NRC officials also attributed the review of the evacuation advisory to improvements in the situation surrounding the crippled nuclear plant.
The Japanese government set up a 20-km evacuation zone while at the same time asking people living between 20-30 km from the plant to stay indoors.
The NRC has said the Japanese evacuation advisory is also appropriate.
Steve James wrote:Nope. I was saying that higher radiation readings doesn't mean that food is unsafe to eat. But, put it like this. Say, the acceptable level for radiation in food or location X is 1 unit of Y. When that figure was decided, it wasn't because people got ill or died when it got to 1.1 or 2. It means that 1 was considered acceptable. It wouldn't mean that 1.1 was Hiroshima or Chernobyl levels. In fact, the acceptable level will be way lower than the known danger level.
Steve James wrote: That's why when the reports come in that radiation levels are 1,000 times the acceptable level, or even 1,000,000 times, there are not reports of massive fish die offs or human casualties, or reports of mutated babies in Japan.
Steve James wrote:But, say that the acceptable level (meaning the "legal" level) remains the same, but the food and location level are above it? Okay, so who goes into those locations to make them safer or to rebuild them? Similarly with food, once the canned food runs out, what do the people eat? Otoh, the radiation levels can also decline with time, and along with them the acceptable radiation levels.
Steve James wrote:Now, if I don't believe the Japanese gov't, the American gov't, Tepco, the NRC and the IEA, then what? "They" will never tell the "truth," so ...
Decades of research show clearly that any dose of radiation increases an individual’s risk for the development of cancer.
Steve James wrote:You do realize that light and heat are radiation. But, of course, your reply might be "not that" type of radiation. Okay, assuming that we're not saying that "all" forms of radiation cause cancer.
Steve James wrote:and you're saying that all of the people who eat the food, drink the water or breathe the air will get cancer because of the radiation. You're also suggesting that the "increased" (meaning more than already present) radiation being measured will give all those affected cancer. That's the inevitable conclusion of the original statement. I don't buy it; and it's because of statements like that.
Steve James wrote:We all have had x-rays, cat scans, mris; not to mention that we are bombarded by atomic radiation every single moment of the day. Then there's the irradiated food and vegetables that most of us eat; but, we're not talking about them either. We're talking about Fukushima,
In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr. Chaim Sheba, flew to America and returned with seven x-ray machines, supplied to him by the American army.
They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire generation of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300 million Israeli liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60 million liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today.
To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were given, while many of the rest developed cancers that killed thousands over time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic headaches and psychosis.
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