edededed wrote:Noting the very interesting Wu taiji threads going on these days, I was re-reading BKF's fine IMA book the other day, when I noticed that he mentioned the lancaihua sparring method, which is known as one of the "inner door" methods in Ma Yueliang's taijiquan system, which I guess means that he learned it.
As Bruce's teacher Liu Hongjie learned from Wu Jianquan as well, it may be interesting to compare Liu's system with that of Ma Yueliang and Wu Jianquan's sons in Hong Kong.
Does anyone know what the "entire system" of Liu's Wu style taijiquan consisted of?
At the least, if Bruce learned the lancaihua method, that means something (does Hong Kong Wu style have this?).
Wuyizidi wrote:Luan Cai Hua is one of the final stages of push hand practice, it's common to all Taiji Quan systems. Maybe it's rarer today because most people don't make it to that stage.
Doc Stier wrote:Wuyizidi wrote:Luan Cai Hua is one of the final stages of push hand practice, it's common to all Taiji Quan systems. Maybe it's rarer today because most people don't make it to that stage.
Agreed. Quite so. There are many people who desire the high level end skills, but few who are willing and able to invest the time and effort needed to acquire such skills. All too often nowadays, people align themselves in association with famous teachers, and then either imply or overtly claim to have acquired the teacher's high level skills, but always seem to conveniently avoid demonstrating any actual knowledge and ability of same.
Doc
steelincotton wrote:If that's what I think it is, at my club, that translates in Cantonese as "pick up the broken flowers."
JessOBrien wrote:. Push hands is good stuff, but Tai Chi is too hard. I prefer the more open rules of san shou/rou shou where smacks can be more freely given.
-Jess O
bruce wrote:
the more "free" "open rules" practice is in my opinion a very important aspect of tai chi chuan push hands practice. people often seem to put very limiting ideas out there about what push hands is and is not. all of the above drills you mentioned are very important aspects to push hands but the free play in my opinion is essential ...
Doc Stier wrote:Lan tsai hua (爛採花), i.e. free fighting, must of necessity be based on previous acquisition of the foundation principles and techniques of a given style. Only in this way, can the practice have any logical and rational relevance to the style's practical usage applications. As a result, lan tsai hua is normally practiced traditionally only by those who have already developed the necessary knowledge and skills needed to realistically engage in such practices.
Since the vast majority of contemporary tai-chi chuan enthusiasts apparently only ever learn a slow motion form set of one style or another, and some rudimentary push hands (tui-shou), more advanced traditional training methods and practices, such as lan tsai hua, never even enter into the picture of their overall training regimen.
Doc
From my experience, the feet should be in the hands.
Tom wrote:steelincotton wrote: From my experience, the feet should be in the hands.
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