Waterway wrote:Now, I trust both my teachers, but I was wondering how exactly Chinese Broadsword study helps with Taijiquan? I am not cynical about the matter, merely curious!
Bao wrote:Waterway wrote:It is good to learn and practice, but you should also understand it's limitations according to taiji principles. I heard that there were originally no dao/sabre/broadsword in taijiquan and that it was very late "invention". I don't know if that's true, but that could explain some about why everyone is teaching different names of the postures of dao forms.
Bao wrote:Because the Dao is one of the dumb weapons of CMA and the only dumb weapon of Taijiquan.
Waterway wrote:I am going to take the class as it runs on a Saturday which suits my schedule. I will ask my teachers how it relates to Taijiquan then. In the meantime though, does anyone have any info/thoughts on Chinese Broadsword study and its relation to Taijiquan?
As always, thanks for any input!
Ron Panunto wrote:
On the contrary Bao. Chen Wanting developed taijiquan based on the movements of his favorite weapon, the long handled broadsword (or kwandao). The single and double broadsword routines were part of the original curriculum of Chen taiji.
Ron Panunto wrote: When you learn how to guide the momentum of the knife then you can easily guide the momentum (neutralize) a barehand attack.
Ron Panunto wrote: Bao, please explain - what is a "dumb" weapon ? Maybe you mean that the weapon wielder is stupid?
Bao wrote:
Sorry pal, (edit: I know that many people will laugh at me now, or think that I am stupid . . ) but I don't believe in that myth for a second. First, Taijiquan didn't start with CWT. Chenquan started with him, but most principles, postures etc. are older than him. Second, if that was true, the first and most important weapon in Chen style would always be the guandao. There are to many logical flaws in that story for me to accept. A Chinese scholar who wrote much about taijiquan and CMA in the 60s and 70s, Dr. Wilaim C.Hu, went through and read all books and records from Chenjiagou and could find nothing about kwandaos. Nor could he find anything about Chen style and staffs, which Chen stylists also has claimed was a speciality weapon of the Chenjiagou. So there are no real proofs that Chen Wanting developed his style from the guandao. But if you can serve me one . . .
sdf wrote: And yet when you go on the battle field at that time what you are going to rely your hands or weapon. I think the answer is obvious - weapon.
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