New private sub-section for internal power discussions

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Re: New private sub-section for internal power discussions

Postby GrahamB on Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:31 am

Can we relegate this thread to the new IP subforum? All this off topic bitching is distracting from real discussion in the main RSF forum. :P

It's BTDT, but at the very least Off Topic.
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Re: New private sub-section for internal power discussions

Postby MikeK on Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:50 am

Simple Rule:
All memeber of this forum should post minimum of 20 mins video footage that in some small way represents their understanding and level of practice. So that we can all see where each other is comming from. Next people should support their post and opinions in threads with further video footage. This way we can minimize the confusion.
In an age when just about every mobile phone has a camera this is no big ask.

- If you are making some great claim about Santi or the like and you put up some clip of you doing Santi it will, by-in-large be quite obvious if you know what you are talking about.
- If you are an exponent of reality based martial art and train in the real deal, film it and show it, then we can see exactly what you mean, especially if your written posts come across unclearly to some of the "classically/traditionally" trained forum readers.
- If you have some great understanding of body mechnics and strucuture or some strong opinions on how power is expressed, film it so we can see and discuss what we have seen.

This forum could be a great source of knowledge but in reality by and large every single post consists of a version of the following:
I have a giant cock. My teacher has a giant cock. Although my cock is the most effective cock in the world I am not willing to show you my cock. I see your cock is not working as well as mine. My teacher is the only person who really learnt how to use his cock properly. I have used my cock more than the rest of you. I have traveled and meet the masters of the great cock...etc.
For me this is covers 99% of all posts on RSF even when they are couched in contempory science or classical litrature. this is why so few peopel with real knowledge contribute here. When all is said and done whats the point?

I am using the "Cock" as a metaphor please no literal videos.
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Re: New private sub-section for internal power discussions

Postby Dmitri on Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:55 am

Everyone's got "issues", myself included... and the "range of likeness" (whatever the scientific/psychology term is for that) for each person is, naturally, somewhat different. People like one another and/or become friends when those "ranges" overlap.

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If Chris were 'A' and Dan -- 'B' and me -- 'C', then it may be possible for that 'ABC' area in the middle (and maybe even 'AB') to happen...
But it's also possible that 'A' and 'B' are further apart (A to left and B to right), so there's no 'AB' overlap there, or that it is very small.

I bet every one of us can think of two friends or good acquaintances of theirs who would be, in reality, extremely unlikely to get along well with one another, despite the fact that they both get along great with you.

IME meetings in person usually solve 99% of the online BS that tends to stem from various "issues" people have, from varying ability to express themselves online, to having hidden agendas, to the need of some sort of (sub)conscious posturing, to... whatever. In person MOST (not all, but definitely most, IME) of that BS simply doesn't come up, because human interaction is SO much more involved a process (tone of voice, facial expressions/gesturing, micro-movement of the body, pheromones, etc.) than a mere exchange of written words.

FWIW, I would suggest for all parties here to not burn any bridges based on that type of exchange, at least for the reason stated above, i.e. what we do here sitting at our keyboards is NOT full human communication and should NOT be confused with it, and I wouldn't make any big decisions re. who is who or whether I'd like to meet them based solely on these online interactions. (Unless of course the exchange goes REALLY freakin' far, -- like a real physical challenge, life threats, etc.)

I think maybe if people remembered that simple fact, online behavior in general might become a lot better because you simply wouldn't put as much value into it, and realize that you're not "talking to a live person", but simply "exchanging written words with your computer" (which can be read and replied to by some stranger thousands of miles away whom you might never even meet).

On the other hand, and for these same reasons, I've always tried to follow a simple rule, "never say anything online that you wouldn't say to someone in person". Which you guys already know of course, but just thought I'd say it anyway, because it's a REALLY important one, as far as basic online civility goes.
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Re: New private sub-section for internal power discussions

Postby Bodywork on Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:17 am

On the other hand, and for these same reasons, I've always tried to follow a simple rule, "never say anything online that you wouldn't say to someone in person". Which you guys already know of course, but just thought I'd say it anyway, because it's a REALLY important one, as far as basic online civility goes.

That's all fine Dmitri and I appreciate the effort, except only one of us crosses the line and uses the type of language Chris is known for that in a bar would more than likely see him decked for his trouble. What would I get decked for? Saying someone doesn't understand internals? Seriously? ;)

I am less concerned about language-it really goes to issues of Chris attacking a person for expressing a point since he has no counter argument to offer.
On the other hand, I will say anything in person I have said here -and I have many times, face to face-as it is consistently supportable and not personal. I remain consistent and on point.
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Re: New private sub-section for internal power discussions

Postby Dmitri on Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:20 am

I know, but that is in part exactly what I'm talking about... You're taking his "online persona" and online communication as "real". They are, but... they are not really, for reasons I mentioned above. Chris means every word I'm sure, and he's an honest guy, and a professional in a related field, but the fact remains, -- until you are talking in person, you're not really "talking". Even on the phone it's not "true communication", for people who never met, although it's already a hell of a lot better than via written word...

I do notice that at times your tone of voice I mean, "tone of typing" :) does sound "harsher" online than in person, although you probably don't (can't?) notice... (Or maybe it's just me? :-/)

Anyway... I'm not trying to play Mother Teresa here, but I was just hoping... eh, never mind.

You're big boys, you'll figure it out, one way or another. I was just hoping it would be the more peaceful way, but what the hell, LET'S BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

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Re: New private sub-section for internal power discussions

Postby Chris McKinley on Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:21 am

Well put, Dmitri. I guess I'm a little old-fashioned in the sense of expecting and expressing that civility even if we are afforded the luxury of internet anonymity. In this particular case, I don't really see a bridge to burn in the first place. Dan obviously wouldn't see any value in meeting me, whether personally or martially, and I'm certainly not interested in seeing even yet another real-deal internal guy if it's just another one-way "look how great I am" show. Been to way too many of those...one of which you and I mutually attended when we first met. I can't count the number of times I've met guys who were all "Look at me, I'm the real deal, you guys are all a bunch of crap" in my 37 years as a martial artist. Some of them even were the real deal. However, I've never met, seen, read about, or even heard about someone whose skill was so good that it justified all that nonsense. In my view, such a person simply cannot exist because I just don't put that kind of value on martial skill no matter how good it is. The way I look at it, if somebody trustworthy says Dan is a great guy in-person, fine. I can accept that for all the reasons you outlined above. However, if he's gonna come across the way he does on the internet, especially if that's his initial default, I'm not really interested in seeing what he's like in-person. The same is true of any of those guys who take that attitude. I'll just accept that they are somehow different in-person than how they are on the internet and move on. My only interaction with him, and others of that cloth, is online, so if they can't get it together on that level, I'm just not interested in further investment.
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Re: New private sub-section for internal power discussions

Postby middleway on Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:22 am

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Re: New private sub-section for internal power discussions

Postby Bodywork on Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:26 am

Dmitri wrote:I do notice that at times your tone of voice I mean, "tone of typing" :) does sound "harsher" online than in person, although you probably don't (can't?) notice... (Or maybe it's just me? :-/)

I can see that I guess. Although it is funny thinking of me being...harsh. ;D ;D
Yet...I still don't go to the personal side. Although I think your mentioning the well known rule of would you say that to someones face... is applicable. It is probably worth adding..and expect to not get hit.
I can't help but thinking how "Most of you don't understand internal power as evidenced by what you write..." makes someone want to hit you! ;)
Where I can imagine some of the bars I have been in and you calling someone a dick, unstable, a liar and paranoid would get you a trip to the hospital.
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Re: New private sub-section for internal power discussions

Postby Tom on Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:35 am

Thanks to everyone who made positive contributions on this thread. The ideas for subforums focused on topics like IP, for setting threshold criteria for participation in those subforums, and for how to best moderate those discussions have been taken under advisement.

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