inner_achievement wrote:neijia_boxer wrote:The best bagua person will walk the circle more times than the other person. Lets start a Guinness book or worlds record! Dave..John....start walking.
Man. I just started really searching the forums and I dont want to dig up the past, but I have to say.... I LOVE THIS DRAMA BETWEEN YANG GUO TAI"S STUDENTS!!! So good! I just grab some popcorn and a 45 oz diet coke and enjoy.
I only met Yang three or four times but I sort of think everyone should get together and show their forms, walk the circle and then spar. That way those with something other then quotes from a book or their teacher will be evident. As far as who trained the longest bla bla bla.. Just because you go to high school for 15 years doesn't make you the best. Anyways I've watched videos and seen some of Yang's students do their stuff and thus have my own opinions. To all though I guess its about being humble, training hard and living with honor. Just like Tom Cruise in the "Last Samurai", or was that "Far and Away"? Cant quite remember.
actually Jon, it's the drama between John and the rest of the students. We've a bad apple in the group - not a major divide within the group, so please tone down the generalizations. Also the disagreement on this forum was John @ me, John @ heel_no_up (Namin) and john @ <who he thought to be Mike Juszenas> but turned out to be Namin as well. Basically, anyone that offered a polite correction was promptly told to get fucked, and backed up with a cheap insult.
Here's the one I refered to - thinking he was talking smack to Mike when in fact it was yet another student (Namin) who he also started ripping into, once he found out who it really was. So essentially, it was a case of "those guys are all a bunch of assholes" from one guy that came out to learn now and then.
heel_no_up wrote:
I've stayed out of this but..lianhuan (John) the definition in a dictionary and the character itself may not have had the indepth meaning that Yang Sifu intended. That is what he meant by "similar but not same."
How you say the word and the accent is the reason Yang Sifu (Shirfu) used "Ji'er" the common usage is the same as Jin in most martial discussions.
Granted Yang Sifu goes into way more depth than any book/video/teacher I've ever met or even heard of about this subject, mostly because he was at his school for so long and knows so much.
Also, some of the comments on Youshen Lianhuan Zhang aren't correct. That was the name of the school when it reopened, it has meaning for the way in which bagua is taught at that school. But most people latched on to it and used it for discussions about bagua in general. Ironically it's similar to this discussion where a simple thing like "jin" is confused.
A piece of advice...Baguazhang has to be practiced to understand...no discussion however long...no notes however detailed...nothing can replace continuous practice, THEN discussion about experiences that come from the practice...that is what allows true understanding and learning from a master to blossom. In the 8 continuous years I was with Yang Sifu you came maybe a dozen times and when you did Yang Sifu had me show you things...prior to that meeks should you what to do in class. Maybe now that Yang is in China...clarify with the students who learned from Yang Sifu longer than you rather than disagree with people who have a more in depth experience with Yang Sifu, what he thought, and baguazhang in general.
Hi Mike,
With regards to your understanding of the terms, I guess we'll just have to disagree as well. You can read my post. I swear by it as true.
With regards to training with YGT, I suggest you don't be so quick to state your opinions about superior knowledge. I started with YGT a few years before you even showed up on the scene and after a fall out with Dave chose to see YGT on my own schedule - and only a few times with you guys. When I did show up with your group I found that there were always a few people who were full enough of themselves to think they had to explain to me what YGT was talking about - I would always listen because after all maybe they had learned something more correctly than me - unfortunately, with a few exceptions, I never experienced that to be the case. So don't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that just because you told me something that you taught me something. Or that since I wasn't training at the same time as you that I wasn't training at all. It's ridiculous - in fact for a year I was training 3 times a week with YGT and I almost never saw any of you. But I wouldn't be so silly as to say that means you guys weren't training - other people on other hand are that silly I guess.
A piece of advice back to you... it's important for one not to be so presumptuous about other peoples business... until you have at least talked to them first. I don't remember ever talking to you about my training - or about pretty much anything for that matter. Certainly nothing about when I train, about what I trained, about what my thoughts were... nothing. What makes you think you know anything about me at all? You don't and you shouldn't be so quick to suggest that you do.
And by the way since you force me to air dirty laundry on the internet, Meeks never taught me anything as you claim. In fact when he tried once I called his BS and sent him on his way. Which then became the problem of Dave and his buddies talking behind my back. Yang Shrfu said to ignore it so I did - hence the training on different schedules. Were you there when that happened - No! Have you ever talked to me about it -No! But do you have an opinion about it that you are willing to express as fact - I'm sure.
But you are full of opinion and so be it. But it is only opinion and I think you would do yourself a great favor to examine things more deeply and check your facts more clearly before you speak.
You've started a big pissing match without even bothering to check your facts in person - and it wouldn't have been that hard to do if you really cared about the truth either. So now what? Do you want to continue slurring my good name in public without basis in fact? Do you want to see where that will lead?