GrahamB wrote:Have you seen this one? I'm guessing that's the one that became Yang Cheng-Fu's form?- one 108 set called 'changquan'
Hi Graham:
That's was I was told. My teacher, Lee Wing-Wah, trained with Yang Chien-Hou during the last two years of his life, and thereafter with Chien-Hou's eldest son, Yang Shao-Hou, for a number of years time. Lee said that this Large Frame Chang Chuan 108 Forms Set (Long Boxing) is the one that Yang Lu-Chan taught to the Imperial Prince, and thus in doing so wisely presented to the Prince as the Large Frame Long Imperial 108 Forms Set in order to insure that no disfavor would be encountered at the Imperial House.
Yang Cheng-Fu's Modified Large Frame 85 Forms Set is essentially an edited and modified revision of this older Large Frame 108 Forms Set, with the elimination of some repetitions of postures and postures of different names that he judged to be so similar in shape that they should be considered the same posture with the same name. Cheng-Fu's Set closely follows the same sequential arrangement of postures in older 108 Set and maintains the same names for the postures which were retained in his modified revision.
In contrast, Yang Chien-Hou's Medium Frame 90 Forms Set differs from both the Large Frame Chang Chuan/Long Imperial 108 Forms Set and Yang Cheng-Fu's Modified Large Frame 85 Forms Set in it's sequential arrangement of postures and in its connecting transitional movements, although the names of the postures common to all three sets are generally the same.
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