extrajoseph wrote:Taichiturtle wrote:extrajoseph wrote:Howard Choy must have felt the same way, that the Yang Family style is tired and spread too thinly. He went on to study with Chen Xiao-Wang after Yang Sau-Chung and Fu Sheng-Yuan in order to further his Taijiquan.
That would have been after he got knocked out by Ip Tai Tak in push hands.
Funny you should say this, I was in one of Howard Choy's Taiji workshops a few years back and during the lunch break, he told us the story how he visited Ip Tai Tak with Chen Yong Fa and after their initial pleasantry they did push-hands together on his Pok Fu Lam rooftop, with Chen watching. In the beginning it went smoothly, but then Ip suddenly charged into Choy with a push and Choy, because he was also practicing Choy Lee Fut with Chen Yong Fa at the time, he reacted by stepping back and checked Ip with a Pak and wacked him one on the upper forearm, he nearly fell over and that was the end of their visit. Choy was lamenting that he should not have done that if he wants to find out information from Ip, but the action and reaction happened so quickly, he did it before realizing what he has done.
He also told us he visited Chu Gin Soon in Boston and he found Chu and his students have good skills; especially the way they can Peng.
extrajoseph wrote:Howard Choy must have felt the same way, that the Yang Family style is tired and spread too thinly. He went on to study with Chen Xiao-Wang after Yang Sau-Chung and Fu Sheng-Yuan in order to further his Taijiquan. A family style is just something we choose to wear on the surface; like a coat it has no form without a body below to shape it. We should not worry too much about what is on the surface, it does not matter whether it is Chen, Yang, Wu, Tiger, Crane, or Snake or whatever one choses to “wear”, what is hidden underneath shapes what is visible on the surface and a trained eye can appreciate the difference.
extrajoseph wrote:Thank you for the your link to HK Chan, again I can only see him doing the regular form, if he has studied with ITT for over a decade, surely some of the snake twisting, compressing, open/close movements would be visible in his form. What I don't understand is YSC had many students and 3 disciples, none of them showed any snake tendencies, only after ITT's death do we see his disciples doing the sanke style, we don't see any in others, including Howard Choy I mentioned earlier in the beginning of this thread (when he does the form slowly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIHmB8hDOyU), and he is suppose to be a private student of YSC. What would be your explanation? I was also wondering when Sifu Choy in this video (see link belwo) doing the Fajin in the Yang form, would he be using some of the snake twisting, compressing, open/close movements to do so? What I am trying to say is may be the snake is hidden in the regular already, your valuable comments would be appreciated, I am trying to make sense of all the stuff I can see on Youtube re YSC's Taijiquan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIb59GTiF1s
extrajoseph wrote:Speaking about CXW's short forms, according to Howard Choy, the 39 Yang short form he put together, based on what YSC has taught him in HK (by eliminating all repetitions), was done with the help of CXW while living and learning with him in Sydney, CXW taught Choy how to fajing with every one of the 39 movements, does it look like a Yang form or a Chen form in the two clips I posted earlier?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIHmB8hDOyU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIb59GTiF1s
I find it interesting that someone is trying to synthesis the Chen in the Yang form, I would have imagine this process was like when YLC first went to Beijing and start modifying the Chen he learned in Chenjiagou to create his Yang family form.
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