MaartenSFS wrote:So today I met a new Taiji teacher that has been all over China and was telling me about special attributes that separate it from other martial arts. I felt that I could get away with asking him about a very divisive topic that comes up on these forums. Yes, I went there.
The teacher in question then told me that he'd give me an example. He suddenly attacked me without notice and I moved my head out of the way, flinching, though he never touched me. In my defence, he was very fast for an old man! This, he said, was Linkongjin in simple terms. He was controlling my body's reaction without making contact. It reminded me of something my teacher said yesterday.
Linkongjin is like that, but without touching them. I think that projecting your intention at someone with some movement of your body can certainly cause a reaction in them, perhaps to your benefit. Fear can enhance that effect.
That's pretty much how the Russian / Systema guys describe it, which is maybe why they don't call it empty "force". The top guys have it down to a fine art, on many levels.
wow"its the same way as the Russian/ Systema guys describe it"
It wasn't like some sci-fi chi blast, but it wasn't normal either. If you had watched it on a video, you might have said it was fake because I was jumping. But something he did made me jump against my will. He was explaining it in terms of the "fall asleep/wake up" dynamic of his form, but I still don't quite get it.
windwalker wrote:[
In my experience of studying and working with those who can do it for over 10yrs in china,
I would not agree with its like that.
been through this before havent we?
at that time you chose not to say or share much and nowwow"its the same way as the Russian/ Systema guys describe it"
If there are any questions for those interested I will share some experiences and thoughts on it.
I have some small ability in this area, which is a small part of a much lager dynamic of why many things work in much of the many videos that people question or are misunderstood. its not something that one can get directly, nor be sought for.
It will tend to develop naturally if one follows the rather simple idea of "dont use the force"
the first question that one should ask themselves is weather they understand what qi is,
I dont mean this in a intellect sense. If not most of it will not make much sense and other things start to be used to explain something that for the most part most can not do.
kong jin
the word jin, in chinese in this sense does not mean force as in the English language sense of the word. pursuing this line of thought IME is a waste of time.
the word jin, in chinese in this sense does not mean force as in the English language sense of the word. pursuing this line of thought IME is a waste of time.
Also, you stated jin does does not mean force so any thoughts/ideas to convey the true meaning of this chinese word?
He suddenly attacked me without notice and I moved my head out of the way, flinching, though he never touched me. In my defence, he was very fast for an old man! This, he said, was Linkongjin in simple terms. He was controlling my body's reaction without making contact. It reminded me of something my teacher said yesterday
The startle response or startle reaction is a response to sudden, startling stimuli, such as sudden noise or sharp movement. Usually the onset of the startle response is reflectory. The startle reflex is a brainstem reflectory reaction that serves to protect the back of the neck (whole-body startle), or the eye (eyeblink), and also facilitates escape from sudden stimuli. It is found across the lifespan and in many species. An individual's emotional state may lead to a variety of different responses.[1]
windwalker wrote:its very different then what is being shown here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu99GRUUN6Y
MaartenSFS wrote:Sorry, I can't watch Youtube at the moment. Regardless of whether the "other Linkongjin" exists or not, "this Linkongjin" is a real thing that everyone can agree on. Perhaps it would be a good place to start from to try explaining " advanced LKJ".
RobP2 wrote:MaartenSFS wrote:Sorry, I can't watch Youtube at the moment. Regardless of whether the "other Linkongjin" exists or not, "this Linkongjin" is a real thing that everyone can agree on. Perhaps it would be a good place to start from to try explaining " advanced LKJ".
Perhaps a starting point would be - do you believe that a person can admit some sort of invisible force from their body which can physically affect another person without contact? If it can affect a person can it also affect an object, or perhaps an animal?
D_Glenn wrote:windwalker wrote:its very different then what is being shown here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu99GRUUN6Y
That was filmed in 1992/93 and the American guy in the clip had told me that it was definitely not 'Lin Kong Jin' that they were learning. It was a type of two person 'daoyin'. There was also a lot of 'Giving Face' to the teacher Shi Ming. He said it was unfortunate that a lot of the interview was edited out as it was made clear that this was more health related and everyone there was willingly going along and fully compliant, because after the show aired, people were flocking to see Shi Ming and the cult that formed around him became more like a circus side show.
What Maarten described is 'Lin Kong Jin'.
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