grzegorz wrote:I was wondering why "some" ran from the "Russians" thread like rats off of a sinking ship and went elsewhere to start a new thread on a topic which we've covered extensively on the previous thread, only to find out that the anti-gay propaganda laws in Russia are not the conspiracy, it's the reporting of these laws which are the conspiracy! Here's some dribble if you can stomach it.
Did you even watch the clip you put up? It goes into detail about the fact that Russia has no anti-gay laws.
Steve James wrote:Did you even watch the clip you put up? It goes into detail about the fact that Russia has no anti-gay laws.
It didn't really argue that, though. The vid's argument was that no mention of the word "gay" appears in the law. He claims that, in fact, these new laws are more liberal toward gays precisely because they don't identify gays at all whereas the old regional laws did. What the new laws do prohibit, however, is homosexual propaganda, especially when it is aimed at children. He makes some other arguments, but let's stick to that one for the moment. The problem is how "propaganda" is defined or not defined. I.e., a gay-pride parades or other demonstrations of homosexuality can/could be considered homosexual propaganda.
Ok, the narrator's primary argument is that the concern about homosexual laws in Russia is misplaced and only the product of an anti-Russian campaign encouraged by geopolitical interests and the economic interests of western media. I.e., (per Alex Jones's concerns) the western media is attempting to sell homosexuality or, more specifically, values that promote homosexuality. So, they need a market. (Personally, I think that is far-fetched. But, even if true, I don't believe that anyone (heterosexual) can be turned into a homosexual).
Another point the narrator tries to make is that Russian laws (about the gays they doesn't mention) are actually more liberal than American laws. That's a damn fair point. However, the tendency in the US has been to remove legislation that discriminate against gays. What's fair is that there are plenty of people who share Alex Jones's opinion that they are being forced to accept a lifestyle. Of course, it's really that they're being forced to accept that someone else has a different lifestyle or love style. Anyway, one can always point to our Westboro Baptist churches and be totally correct about the anti-gay sentiment in the US. That doesn't mean that it's better for gays in Russia, at all.
grzegorz wrote:Michael,
Old friend, stalking you? Really? Because I chose to engage in conversations with you and we disagree I'm a stalker?
Steve James wrote:Did you even watch the clip you put up? It goes into detail about the fact that Russia has no anti-gay laws.
It didn't really argue that, though. The vid's argument was that no mention of the word "gay" appears in the law.
What's fair is that there are plenty of people who share Alex Jones's opinion that they are being forced to accept a lifestyle.
grzegorz wrote:Btw, Michael as always you can PM me your abuse. Because in case you haven't noticed I really don't give a damn what others on this board might think of me. I see it as I see it and I stand behind everything I say.
It's odd how polite you're in our PMs. Yet when I ask you what's up you say we're just debating the topic.
If you'd like I can post your PMs here. Since you seem to want your hate for me out in the public. Why not everything?
grzegorz wrote:Before you freak out you should know I won't do that, because again no one really gives a s***, myself included.
Michael wrote:grzegorz wrote:feel free to post abuse here
Don't want to abuse you in any way, just responding to you in the discussions.
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