GrahamB wrote:Seems to imply that *internal is just taking a movement, like throwing a baseball, and refining and refining it until it becomes.... Internal?
Patrick wrote:FWIW I understood your post/article as graham. Internal=high level of coordination skills.
D_Glenn wrote:
Basketball also makes use what we've dubbed 'Tendon strength' in English but is 'Jinmo' (Muscle Membranes) is Chinese, and are the Fascia that surround the muscles and gather into the tendons.
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D_Glenn wrote:The Key ingredient though is the 'Qi', which at it's root is our 'Yuan Qi' and 'Zhen Qi' (Original and True Energy) which in a healthy person is in ample supply and can provide the average man with the energy to be at the top of his game until around the age of 32 when it levels off and as you draw from this supply you gradually feel weaker over the years, around the age of 40 it naturally starts declining.
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D_Glenn wrote:But the Internal Martial Artist's don't even want to draw on their 'Yuan Qi' at all, and do cultivation practices that draw from our 'Normal Qi' (from food, air, and stored fat), and through a process, and the nature of the practices, there is a surplus of 'Qi' in the body, and this surplus of energy can promote, or rather return to, and transform to become this different form of 炁 Qi Energy. This type of 炁 Qì begins to build up and is stored in the 丹田 Dantians and eventually throughout the whole body. (It can be looked at as: 精 Jing -> 氣 Qi -> 神 Shen -> 炁 Qi). Where instead of: 'shen'returning to the void, it's used for energy to power the Internal Martial Movements.
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amor wrote:D_Glenn wrote:Basketball also makes use what we've dubbed 'Tendon strength' in English but is 'Jinmo' (Muscle Membranes) is Chinese, and are the Fascia that surround the muscles and gather into the tendons.
I think you're right in this line of thought. What I've found is that you don't need Qi to strengthen the muscles. You can strengthen the muscles by 'playing with forces' in the body. But you'll only ever develop that muscle in its current state. I think, maybe, qi comes in use for developing these muscle-membranes. It actually puts more flesh into the muscle somehow so you can develop a bigger muscle and overall stronger body. Probably the dynamic tension stuff you mentioned other threads achieves this well.
amor wrote:D_Glenn wrote:The Key ingredient though is the 'Qi', which at it's root is our 'Yuan Qi' and 'Zhen Qi' (Original and True Energy) which in a healthy person is in ample supply and can provide the average man with the energy to be at the top of his game until around the age of 32 when it levels off and as you draw from this supply you gradually feel weaker over the years, around the age of 40 it naturally starts declining.
What if the man doesn't have sex at all or once say, once a month. Do you think they would have a good supply of yuan/zhen qi to continue building themselves well past 40?
amor wrote:D_Glenn wrote:But the Internal Martial Artist's don't even want to draw on their 'Yuan Qi' at all, and do cultivation practices that draw from our 'Normal Qi' (from food, air, and stored fat), and through a process, and the nature of the practices, there is a surplus of 'Qi' in the body, and this surplus of energy can promote, or rather return to, and transform to become this different form of 炁 Qi Energy. This type of 炁 Qì begins to build up and is stored in the 丹田 Dantians and eventually throughout the whole body. (It can be looked at as: 精 Jing -> 氣 Qi -> 神 Shen -> 炁 Qi). Where instead of: 'shen' returning to the void, it's used for energy to power the Internal Martial Movements.
Do you know what cultivation practices they did to replenish this (yuan?) Qi.
amor wrote:I think that (精 Jing -> 氣 Qi -> 神 Shen -> 炁 Qi) is just the microcosmic orbit. Making sure that the qi goes down the ren channel to the dantien and when the dantien becomes full it floods other meridians. You think this is main cultivation practice to achieve this?
Internal = a high level of coordinated skills plus (+) a lot of internal cultivation practices.
Ting the cook was cutting meat free from the bones of an ox for Lord Wen-hui. His hands danced as his shoulders turned with the step of his foot and bending of his knee. With a shush and a hush, the blade sang following his lead, never missing a note. Ting and his blade moved as though dancing to “The Mulberry Grove,” or as if conducting the “Ching-shou” with a full orchestra.
Lord Wen-hui exclaimed, “What a joy! It’s good, is it not, that such a simple craft can be so elevated?”
Ting laid aside his knife. “All I care about is the Way. If find it in my craft, that’s all. When I first butchered an ox, I saw nothing but ox meat. It took three years for me to see the whole ox. Now I go out to meet it with my whole spirit and don’t think only about what meets the eye. Sensing and knowing stop. The spirit goes where it will, following the natural contours, revealing large cavities, leading the blade through openings, moving onward according to actual form — yet not touching the central arteries or tendons and ligaments, much less touching bone.
“A good cook need sharpen his blade but once a year. He cuts cleanly. An awkward cook sharpens his knife every month. He chops. I’ve used this knife for nineteen years, carving thousands of oxen. Still the blade is as sharp as the first time it was lifted from the whetstone. At the joints there are spaces, and the blade has no thickness. Entering with no thickness where there is space, the blade may move freely where it will: there’s plenty of room to move. Thus, after nineteen years, my knife remains as sharp as it was that first day.
“Even so, there are always difficult places, and when I see rough going ahead, my heart offers proper respect as I pause to look deeply into it. Then I work slowly, moving my blade with increasing subtlety until — kerplop! — meat falls apart like a crumbling clod of earth. I then raise my knife and assess my work until I’m fully satisfied. Then I give my knife a good cleaning and put it carefully away.”
Lord Wen-hui said, “That’s good, indeed! Ting the cook has shown me how to find the Way to nurture life.”
D_Glenn wrote: where when a typical '生物力 Shengwuli' (body movement) is first learned it's either just zero or 100%, but when it's trained and developed into a 勁 Jin (Refined Movement) - as 勁 'Jin' is made up of the character for an 'Underground river' (巠 Jing) next to 'Biomechanical Force' (力 Li) and represents the underlying movement of 'Yi, Qi and Xue' (Intent/ thought, energy and blood) that provides the movement, and this 勁 Jin can be controlled with your mind, or power output in varying percentages- 30%, 90%, etc., like in basketball where the ball can be thrown with just the right amount of force to just make it into the hoop, no matter how far away you are standing when you throw it.
Deadmonki wrote:Thanks for the illuminating post. Does all this information come from your teacher He Jin Bao?
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