windwalker wrote:CMA are sometimes referred to as "quick fight"
meaning things should be over rather quickly.
none of the teachers that I have met over the yrs, would one be able to
really "spar" with in the sense of being able to break off the encounter, regroup
and then start again. Either they engaged and it was over or not, "not very likely ",
they disengaged. The mind set is different, its not about being equal
They did let others attack them or try things on them
and one was able to feel what happened. I would not call it sparring as is
normally portrayed
when the US Military attacks, they try to use overwhelming force, speed and
and strategy allowing no possibility of a counter if possible. Which is kind of funny at times
when reading about people talking about fairness or rules in war.
.
in many of the post the commentators always seem to refer to "if someone faced this guy or that guy" ect
with both having equal skills, if the skills are equal its really about the person, the CMA idea always has been about
the skill, hence the development of different styles and methods in an attempt to give the "person" an advantage using a different
"style or method"
Things like "cardio" while important may not be as the skill itself is for what are called "quick fights".
If one intends to enter a ring, and fight there, then conditioning probably has an equale to or greater factor then
then the skill itself.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=93 ... 42&fref=nf
does any one think the old guy, could go more then 3 rounds? I dont but then he doesnt have to
Wanderingdragon wrote:windwalker wrote:CMA are sometimes referred to as "quick fight"
meaning things should be over rather quickly.
none of the teachers that I have met over the yrs, would one be able to
really "spar" with in the sense of being able to break off the encounter, regroup
and then start again. Either they engaged and it was over or not, "not very likely ",
they disengaged. The mind set is different, its not about being equal
They did let others attack them or try things on them
and one was able to feel what happened. I would not call it sparring as is
normally portrayed
when the US Military attacks, they try to use overwhelming force, speed and
and strategy allowing no possibility of a counter if possible. Which is kind of funny at times
when reading about people talking about fairness or rules in war.
.
in many of the post the commentators always seem to refer to "if someone faced this guy or that guy" ect
with both having equal skills, if the skills are equal its really about the person, the CMA idea always has been about
the skill, hence the development of different styles and methods in an attempt to give the "person" an advantage using a different
"style or method"
Things like "cardio" while important may not be as the skill itself is for what are called "quick fights".
If one intends to enter a ring, and fight there, then conditioning probably has an equale to or greater factor then
then the skill itself.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=93 ... 42&fref=nf
does any one think the old guy, could go more then 3 rounds? I dont but then he doesnt have to
Yes, This is what confuses me when I hear " sparring with your Teacher ", and why I say any teacher you can spar with, cannot be that far above your level, if within seconds you are not seeing his fist in your face or you are not looking up from the ground. As far as the ring, my theory is 1. those with such skill have no need of the ring as a proving ground, and 2. much like the fiction of Jet li in " Unleashed " if one did do it for the money , the promoters would want more of a show.
DeusTrismegistus wrote:Wanderingdragon wrote:windwalker wrote:CMA are sometimes referred to as "quick fight"
meaning things should be over rather quickly.
none of the teachers that I have met over the yrs, would one be able to
really "spar" with in the sense of being able to break off the encounter, regroup
and then start again. Either they engaged and it was over or not, "not very likely ",
they disengaged. The mind set is different, its not about being equal
They did let others attack them or try things on them
and one was able to feel what happened. I would not call it sparring as is
normally portrayed
when the US Military attacks, they try to use overwhelming force, speed and
and strategy allowing no possibility of a counter if possible. Which is kind of funny at times
when reading about people talking about fairness or rules in war.
.
in many of the post the commentators always seem to refer to "if someone faced this guy or that guy" ect
with both having equal skills, if the skills are equal its really about the person, the CMA idea always has been about
the skill, hence the development of different styles and methods in an attempt to give the "person" an advantage using a different
"style or method"
Things like "cardio" while important may not be as the skill itself is for what are called "quick fights".
If one intends to enter a ring, and fight there, then conditioning probably has an equale to or greater factor then
then the skill itself.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=93 ... 42&fref=nf
does any one think the old guy, could go more then 3 rounds? I dont but then he doesnt have to
Yes, This is what confuses me when I hear " sparring with your Teacher ", and why I say any teacher you can spar with, cannot be that far above your level, if within seconds you are not seeing his fist in your face or you are not looking up from the ground. As far as the ring, my theory is 1. those with such skill have no need of the ring as a proving ground, and 2. much like the fiction of Jet li in " Unleashed " if one did do it for the money , the promoters would want more of a show.
I think that the quick fight idea is very valid and something which should be developed. The problem is what happens when your initial attack fails to end it? For a very skilled martial artist this might be unlikely, except against another very skilled martial artist. When people of very similar skill fight, whether in a ring or on the streetz, the initial contact very rarely ends the altercation. This is the where sparring comes in.
As far as a teacher not being able to spar, that isn't true. My teacher could put me down in seconds if he wants to, he can also spar me for hours if he wants to. If someone is skilled then they have the control to Not end it quickly, or to do so, against someone less skilled.
Purely from looking at the results, Liu Gaosheng’s gongfu was no match for Cao Yanhai; but Cao Yanhai could not split a brick – how can we explain this result? The reason is, Cao Yanhai often sparred, so he was good at adapting his tactics. Liu, on the other hand, rarely fought: day-to-day practice only involved testing his palm strikes, which of course most normal people could not withstand. In the bout, even though Liu’s palm strikes were devastatingly powerful, he could not hit Cao, instead being knocked down. Thus, one should not mistake hard qigong for combat skill. In a real encounter, the winner will be he who reacts faster, hits harder.
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