I also think the 2nd is the protector of all the other amendments.
Eight years and no attacks on American soil. I really hope Obama will have the same success rate.
Steve James wrote:
Could you name the times in American history, other than the CW, that the people have taken up arms against the government, or used firearms to protect their other rights? Do you agree with them? And, do you think that GWB has strengthened or respected the Constitution well, in your opinion?
Do I agree? yes..
Many others- those are three in my lifetime off the cuff.
Based on the information I have about Waco, I believe the Branch Davidians were a peaceful group of people who posed a threat to no one, they were ambushed by the BATF for publicity and training purposes, they had a completely invalid search warrant, and that the only defense the Davidians had were their 2nd amendment protected weapons.
Chanchu wrote:Just like peons without law degree's sometimes think they can understand the constitution.
Here is something of his record on the 2nd I don't agree with his stance or his votes. I do think we are going to see a massive attack on the 2nd under Obama. I also think the 2nd is the protector of all the other amendments.
Lets wait and see what happens- print it and save it... I don't like Bush but I give him credit for one thing. Eight years and no attacks on American soil. I really hope Obama will have the same success rate.
Michael wrote:"However, if you accept his logic and argument, then you must agree with Jim Jones having Leo Ryan killed"
What argument are you talking about?
The argument that people have a right to protect themselves from the gov't, obviously. Jones had Ryan killed.AFAIK, Koresh did not claim to be Christ and that was defamatory disinfo.
What do you mean "defamatory disinfo"? Coming from you, that's an interesting pov. Is the wiki on David Koresh reliable in any way?When you see with your own eyes the FLIR footage clearly showing FBI agents mowing down Davidians trying to run from a burning building, you might reconsider whether or not the govt wanted to kill them.
Why did the gov't want to kill them, again?I don't know why you'd bring Jim Jones into this as there is absolutely no connection between that and Waco, MOVE, etc. Sort of confuses the conversation, IMO. I guess you're implying that Koresh had a death wish and wanted to take everyone down wit
Not implying anything, former members of his cult said so. Jones thought the gov't was going to kill them, or at least he told his followers so. You don't want to believe so about Koresh because that confuses your conspiracy argument, which frankly doesn't make sense except as a conspiracy theory.You should also look deeper into Guyana to understand why that comparison is out of place. Autopsies showed nearly all were shot, the Kool-Ade thing is mostly hype.
At the Palestine, Texas, camp, Koresh "worked it so that everyone was forced to rely on him, and him alone. All previous bonds and attachments, family or otherwise, meant nothing. His rationale was if they had no one to depend on, they had to depend on him, and that made them vulnerable."[2] By this time, he had already begun to give the message of his own "Christhood," proclaiming that he was "the Son of God, the Lamb who could open the Seven Seals."[4]
Lois Roden died in 1986. Up until then Koresh had been teaching that monogamy was the only way to live, but suddenly announced that polygamy was allowed for him. In March 1986, Koresh first slept with Karen Doyle, aged 14.[5] He claimed her as his second wife. In August 1986, Koresh began secretly sleeping with Michele Jones, his wife's younger 12-year-old sister. In September 1986 Koresh began to preach that he was entitled to 140 wives, 60 women as his "queens" and 80 as concubines, which he based upon his interpretation of the Biblical Song of Solomon.[2] Koresh then built up an entirely new theology around his "marriage" to Doyle. This theology was called the "New Light," with a doctrine of polygamy for himself, which he called "The House of David." According to this doctrine, Doyle was supposed to have a daughter named Shoshanna who would then be married to Koresh's firstborn son Cyrus. However, Doyle failed to conceive, so Koresh then transferred his attention to his wife's sister.
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