windwalker wrote:we are not talking about heavens gate group.
no but we're talking about specialized subjective experiences, and what suggestion can do, and how very real it feels (and is)
to the willing participants.
still no comment on the clip I posted,
Of course I did, I asked two questions. (It's BTDT times 1000 for most of RSF, but just doing it for the sake of those relatively new to the subject who might be reading). I have no other "comment".
many other clips posted showing what you have already concluded.
I posted only two clips (on one/same group)
the point is?
Point of what?
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I have a couple of friends who have been investigating (independently from one another) dream-like states and out-of-body related meditation, for many many years. They are both very intelligent guys. Their experiences are very real to them and they (one much more than the other) tried to get me to try it to "see for myself". The trick is that these practices involve some serious "brainwashing", technically speaking. They essentially repeatedly convincing/reiterating to themselves what they're supposed to feel, in what order, how, etc. A participant must not only believe in the possibility of the existence of these things, but be very much
willing to experience them. They eventually condition their brains to experience things. Brain is a pliable thing. But this approach by definition excludes any critical/scientific-like approach to the practice, and that's just not my thing. They're very happy with it though, so... all is well.