Finny wrote:Hi Willy - yes, I remember having a similar discussion with you a while back
I'd imagine you wouldn't remember, but I had a motorcycle accident about 5years ago - I broke my pelvis in a few places, both forearms and shattered my right wrist. I stopped training unarmed MA at that time.
Around 7 or 8 months ago I cut my leg and severed my Achilles - I've been back training at walking/jogging pace for a few months, and have just started jogging/running in earnest. In short, I'm not in any condition to be doing any fighting.
I'm guessing you're unaware of the culture surrounding koryu - it's poor form to put footage online. Only the senior folks do that, and it can be readily found on YouTube. I'm not a senior in the grand scheme of things.
But first and foremost, as I said above, even were I fit, and had I footage of myself, no matter how awesome it made me seem... I wouldn't put it online.
And I'm sorry, but your expectations or opinion has absolutely no effect on my position on that topic. I don't owe you anything.
wayne hansen wrote:
So is it good form in Koryu (I have no idea what that is )
To go on a forum dedicated to Chinese martial arts
Deride those who are now dead and refuse to showand then make excuses why you can't show yourself
You seen a bit like climate change sceptics who have no background in the subject but offer their opinion
The reason I ask for video evidence is to sort the wheat from the charf
wayne hansen wrote:I am not trying to moderate or censor anything
All my fighting was done where I did not want cameras around or before video
I fought in the TST tournaments in Taiwan which there may be film of but I do not have it
The difference is I am not saying others can't fight without showing that I can
I have fought many old style karate people in the past but none measured up to those I met on the street
I am not a great fighter never was
I just notice the greatest critics are those that show the least
wayne hansen wrote:Everyone here who has said how bad it is should now post a clip of themselves doing better
If not leave the past in the past
taiwandeutscher wrote:Finny wrote:.....But first and foremost, as I said above, even were I fit, and had I footage of myself, no matter how awesome it made me seem... I wouldn't put it online.
And I'm sorry, but your expectations or opinion has absolutely no effect on my position on that topic. I don't owe you anything.
+1200
Finny wrote:willywrong wrote:Finny wrote:[
Regardless of rulesets, the CMA these guys represented should have been capable of being demonstrated in a boxing format
Arts that were not designed for a boxing format don't work in that arena and you think they should so that's strange. Oh it was represented but didn't work very well, right. So how does that make them bums?1. I never called them bums
Its implied in your posts.2. Pak hok pai and taiji are not designed for bareknuckle boxing/kicking? Really? What are they designed for? Horesback warfare?
Definitely not for that environment or the ring.3. Why would anyone accept a public challenge in a format in which they could not demonstrate their abilities?
Finny wrote:If not a bareknuckle boxing/kicking match, then what? What does a ring matter - is it so diffierent from a lei tai?
That's two accidents willy - but yes, I would agree with you, I've had a pretty rough and tumble life, broken plenty of bones and been sewn up more times than I can count. Literally. I tried to count how many stitches I've had over the years and gave up around 140
Edit - no, there's nothing implied in my posts. What I expressly say is that they look like pre school kids slapping at each other. That's simply a comment on the fight, and their performance in it. That's all - if you think that makes them 'bums' then that's on you.Thanks for your permission.If you have a different opinion of the fight, that's fine too - like I said this is a discussion board, that's what we're here for.Just don't tell me I have to satisfy some personal expectation of yours before I can comment
northern_mantis wrote:Don't know any context behind this but from viewing alone that cannot be a serious fight!
Bao wrote:northern_mantis wrote:Don't know any context behind this but from viewing alone that cannot be a serious fight!
.... So you didn't bother reading the thread then ...
northern_mantis wrote: there isn't much agreement on the context, from the visuals alone I can only assume it is an elaborate hoax. ... Maybe it is a parody of western boxing?
Restricted rules set. Western boxing was an "in" thing. The audience wanted a boxing match. Only western boxing rules, nothing else allowed. Even the kicks you see was prohibited.
The people who arranged it wanted a match for 6 rounds. They were told they must last. Also consider that Wu was about 60 years old and Chan in his 30s, so Chan must take it easy.
The arrangers, and as said, the police, had interests from betting. This was also a reason they wanted a long match. But the match was stopped after two rounds, due to one of them hurting his arm.
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