johnwang wrote:I like this "body method" very much. It's much easier to discuss "body method" if we can reference to a clip.
middleway wrote:Some people want to be slim and 'fit', some want good grappling or striking, some want good movement, some want good self defense, some want high Cardio thresholds, some want 'freedom', some want tradition and lineage ..... The superior method for each of these considerations will often be a different approach and a different method.
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So i guess, IMO, the answer is definitely 'Its all about whats superior FOR YOU'.
Which brings the interesting point - is the IMA dantien-driven method always the best regardless of what you're doing"? I believe that the people who are big on 'internals' feel so.
Old Article ...Down in Horsham I always used to tell my students that sometimes you have to interconnect like wet spaghetti, sometimes like an iron bar, and sometimes like a kid's superball that bounces all over the place. Different situations require different responses, different levels of tonus, recruitment, and joint angular changes in alignment, sequence, rate and timing. There's no such thing as one standard interconnectivity.
People in tai chi, aikido, and many other traditional martial arts place great emphasis on this idea of connectivity, but they often do so in a very abstract way. The creation of this concept of connectivity becomes more important than the function that the connectivity is meant to support; i.e., punching, kicking, grappling, etc. within a live, non-compliant exchange.
Sure, it would be tempting to conclude that there is such a thing as one interconnectivity, and that it can be honed and perfected within a safe environment against compliant training partners as we see in Tai Chi and aikido demonstrations. But such connectivity has been built specifically for that controlled environment with its limited problems, and it does not translate to the chaos of a fight. If it did, the fight would look more like Tai Chi.
So how do you achieve a connectivity that's going to work for you? First of all, get rid of all the 'move from your centre' mumbo jumbo shit. Don't get caught up in the how, get caught up in what you're trying to do.
So I would say, rather than looking for a particular exercise that's going to connect up your body, the answer is that it's your kinesthetic perception of the body in action which needs to be built.
Now here's a caveat about kinesthetic perception, and it's a problem that's rife throughout the martial arts: those who engage in this 'watching of the body in action' often get caught up in the gratification of the movement. It's almost like masturbation. You get people comparing sensations, and this posing and posturing and comparing notes about the flow of the chi, it can become quite obscene!
Go to the fight. Whatever mythos the martial arts might promulgate, the fact is that a fight is a fight....
D_Glenn wrote:External shapes are not in danger of being lost. It's the Internal Jins, Basic Jindao (Jin paths) lead to more and more variations, but the saying "You have to be hit, in order to learn CIMA." is not about being punched hard, or building up the body by smashing limbs, it's that you have to feel the internal jins, and then you gradually learn how to shape them, but you can't even recreate them if you don't know the mechanism that fires off the internal (the trigger), and you won't have anything to play with if you don't do the cultivation exercises (storing up ammo). With a good CIMA teacher the hitting part is done 10%, but the Internal Jin still comes in to your body, and the teacher says that is 'Zhan'. It's physical yet also conceptual. It's a Xing-Yi (shape made by Yi).
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marvin8 wrote:Is there any video showing the internal “body method” being used in competition or real fight, not a demonstration? There are many videos of trained athletes' KO’s, ippons, submissions, etc.
How would internal "body method" help improve these athletes’ body method and outcomes?
marvin8 wrote:How would internal "body method" help improve these athletes’ body method and outcomes?
D_Glenn wrote:
Or you can use the segmented way of moving your body.
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There's a difference between moving with or moving from the Lower Dantian, which most people don't know or understand because they're trying to sync everything up in the wrong way. But it's still just movement or adding more of your body weight into something.
External shapes are not in danger of being lost. It's the Internal Jins, Basic Jindao (Jin paths) lead to more and more variations, but the saying "You have to be hit, in order to learn CIMA." is not about being punched hard, or building up the body by smashing limbs, it's that you have to feel the internal jins, and then you gradually learn how to shape them, but you can't even recreate them if you don't know the mechanism that fires off the internal (the trigger), and you won't have anything to play with if you don't do the cultivation exercises (storing up ammo). With a good CIMA teacher the hitting part is done 10%, but the Internal Jin still comes in to your body, and the teacher says that is 'Zhan'. It's physical yet also conceptual. It's a Xing-Yi (shape made by Yi).
C.J.W. wrote:Bodywork wrote:Oh boy.
For starters you have
1. Three different ways to use heaven/earth/man to make stability and power.
2. Using the back line- united but without dantian
3. Using the body in two distinct ways that are different from each other (I won't discuss, how) that both make power but lack the other type of movement.
4 using dantian driven movement in conjunction with the above.
Then...
4. Another way that uses any of the three heaven/earth/ man models combining two different uses from example #3 along with dantian.
5. Using them with different external manifestations
And this is just fast while I am having family visiting.
Interesting categorization.
Out of all the methods you've listed, I wonder how you would rank them in terms of power and sophistication? And are there some that are better suited than the others for specific purposes?
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