ors wrote:Actually the guy hasn't said a word about the "kua". As I understand, he is talking about that he leed the incoming force trough his left leg to the ground. Then he uses this leg as a pivot etc...
Örs
front wrote:littlepanda wrote:In the first video you posted the guy is definitely moving his femoral heads in the sockets but the movement is initiated from the waist rather from the kua. Whereas in the second video the movement starts from the kua.
I disagree. Kua and dantien work together and it is hard to distinguish sometimes what started first.
Bodywork wrote:The real meat of the questions are:
*What pivots?
*What doesn't?
*And why?
*And how do you avoid all the lateral loss displayed by so many people, including certain internal coaches in their how to videos?
To be clear...
Where is all that force supposed to NOT GO, yet almost always does?
GrahamB wrote:Bodywork wrote:The real meat of the questions are:
*What pivots?
*What doesn't?
*And why?
*And how do you avoid all the lateral loss displayed by so many people, including certain internal coaches in their how to videos?
To be clear...
Where is all that force supposed to NOT GO, yet almost always does?
I'm not entirely sure you understand what you're talking about Dan. In that first video, so long as he maintains a jin path from the guy pushing on his chest to his feet, you can't really have any 'lateral loss' by moving the kua or hips. It shouldn't really matter what pivots - the body should automatically adjust to the incoming load so long as you use your Yi to create the path. You're then free to store and release along your structure to bounce them off, or whatever.
Bodywork wrote:The real meat of the questions are:
*What pivots?
*What doesn't?
*And why?
*And how do you avoid all the lateral loss displayed by so many people, including certain internal coaches in their how to videos?
To be clear...
Where is all that force supposed to NOT GO, yet almost always does?
wayne hansen wrote:Show us how it's done dan
Oh I forgot that dosent suit your agenda
ors wrote:Hi Dan!
OK. I have watched it again, and I was a little bit wrong. At 0:14 he sais " right kua going up, left kua going down, so his (the other guy's) force going down as well..."
As I understand he fixes his left leg, and turning (rotating) his body on his left hipjoint, using his whole body (except his left leg) to "attack" the forceline from the side. Just like a hoist or jack (I don't know the right word sorry)...
The point is that he has to pivot on the femur's had, while his left leg is almost fix. Plus he has to give some angle to his rotation with the "one hip up, one hip down" movement to make the other guy loosing balance. He just makes his rotation horizontally the other guy wouldn't tilt...
Örs
LaoDan wrote:Dan (Bodywork),
Since I do not know the terminology that you use (never having studied with you), I get the impression that some of the differences in interpretation on this thread may be semantics.
Does “pivot” (pivoting around) imply like a hinge to you or is it consistent with how a ball rotates around its center? Does “store and release” imply non-continuous actions (stopping at an end point that requires reversing or restarting) or can it be consistent with how a ball rotates in order to issue with one side while absorbing with the other in a continuous cycle? Does “potential loss along the path” relate to off center movement (not maintaining a neutral center and thus losing the cycle of rotation, what I understand as “double weighting” although other practitioners seem to have different definitions of that principle)? Etc.
It seems to me like different people on this thread are reading other poster’s comments with differing implications of the words used. Of course, in person these potential misinterpretations may go away when two people can feel what the other is doing rather than trying to put it into words, but this thread is somewhat confusing to me (though I may just be at a relatively low level and cannot understand until I gain greater ability). Since our backgrounds are different (I study primarily Taijiquan and ILiqChuan), it is likely that we imply different things even when using similar terminology to describe something.
Dan
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