oragami_itto wrote:By all means, go roll with Tim and get film.
I would pay to see you take him down a peg.
oragami_itto wrote:In re the op, after two years you're barely scratching the surface of the external side of taijiquan. You will have a couple tools but not much.
everything wrote:if you can study with Tim, by all means, do that! you can debate about this or that later. He is the one who steered me toward judo. I agree about the art vs. the sport point. There is bad over-muscled judo but that is EXCELLENT for you to develop your "4 oz vs. 1000 lbs" thing. Another plus for judo is it has plenty of groundwork. No need to mix taiji and bjj on your own. And no, it won't mess up your taiji. Your taiji will only help you.
everything wrote:if you can study with Tim, by all means, do that! you can debate about this or that later. He is the one who steered me toward judo. I agree about the art vs. the sport point. There is bad over-muscled judo but that is EXCELLENT for you to develop your "4 oz vs. 1000 lbs" thing. Another plus for judo is it has plenty of groundwork. No need to mix taiji and bjj on your own. And no, it won't mess up your taiji. Your taiji will only help you.
Yugen wrote:choldstare wrote:
might've broken a pinky toe.
Cheers
Don't use your little toes for Dim Mak, it has to be the big toe and make sure you note the time of day and the moon phase when using it!
willie wrote:His chokes aren't even centered, the tip of the elbow should be centered.
A lot of his techniques are relying on poor ding, that shit won't work on me at all.
how he went about translating it?
Fubo wrote:willie wrote:His chokes aren't even centered, the tip of the elbow should be centered.
A lot of his techniques are relying on poor ding, that shit won't work on me at all.
That choke is called a "short choke", which is different from the RNC with the elbow inline with the chin. Different choke for different situation. Both work.
willie wrote:Fubo wrote:willie wrote:His chokes aren't even centered, the tip of the elbow should be centered.
A lot of his techniques are relying on poor ding, that shit won't work on me at all.
That choke is called a "short choke", which is different from the RNC with the elbow inline with the chin. Different choke for different situation. Both work.
I view it as a bar choke.
willie wrote:Fubo wrote:willie wrote:His chokes aren't even centered, the tip of the elbow should be centered.
A lot of his techniques are relying on poor ding, that shit won't work on me at all.
That choke is called a "short choke", which is different from the RNC with the elbow inline with the chin. Different choke for different situation. Both work.
I view it as a bar choke.
I bet if you asked Tim himself if what i said was true about some of those techniques that will not work on good taiji players i bet he
would tell you that himself.
Fubo wrote:I've got about 20 years in the internals and I've also trained Judo and BJJ (both after I had been training Taiji and Bagua). I'll give you, the OP, my perspective for what it's worth. Like you and Graham, I experienced that some of the attributes developed in the internal arts indirectly transferred over to the BJJ and Judo training, though it didn't help with getting submissions or not getting submitted in the beginning, because BJJ is just technically different. I consider BJJ an internal art because at it's best it uses the internal principles as I understand them (since there are differing opinions on what "internal" means, others will feel differently). With that in mind, if you have a good BJJ teacher, you won't really have to try to retrofit your Taiji into your BJJ, because the principles of body use and application should be there, even if the terminology is different. With the assumption that you've already got a decent grasp of Taiji, with more time in BJJ you'll start to understand, and then feel, the similarities between the arts and how they utilize the same principles. How you sink your weight in Taiji is technically different than how you'd do it when you're in cross body, but the principle is the same.
My humble advice to you is to try avoid retrofitting your BJJ with your Taiji too early on, because you'll likely miss important lessons. This goes for Judo too. Judo and Taiji function under similar principles, though there are some differences in body method and how those principles are applied. I would learn the BJJ and Judo as you're taught them without actively trying to combine them with your Taiji in the beginning. Once you have a good grasp of Judo and BJJ, it'll be easier to start experimenting with body method etc...
I'm listening to the audio book of Art of Learning by Josh Watskin at the moment - he went from Chess (famous child prodigy) to Tai Chi (William Chen) to BJJ (Marcelo) and wrote the book to try and describe the things he internalised as intuitive - actually break them down into steps. It's interesting.
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