grzegorz wrote:yes it is odd that you can come heavy to the airport, fly and grab your guns at check out
and basically cause terrorism
I hate the way the media flashes dude's photo (as if he were a celebrity) everywhere but I suppose that is how it always is.
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:I believe China executes the most people, and that has nothing to do with Islam. Likewise, how many Muslims have killed westerners in the past ten years? Then look at how many Muslims have been killed by Western countries in the same time period. We are talking about a difference in the hundreds of thousands. I guess it's all about how you frame it and how narrow your perception is.
It is not the West that needs diversity by treating all "Muslism" the same without consideration of their regional ideological beliefs, it is Islam which needs diversity by allowing scrutiny of its policies and inclusion of other ideologies into the political make-up of the countries where it specifically resides.
Steve James wrote:The arguments people give today about Islam are almost exactly the same as the ones historically used against Jews.
So, I don't think the number of Muslims killed by USA led wars, as regrettable as they are, is directly relevant to the claimed problems with Muslim immigration into Western countries or the claim that some Islamists are inherently violent.
It's difficult for me to form an opinion on what the problems with the immigration policies really are because I have very little experience with it, and I also believe in religious freedom, so it's also not easy to accept the claim from the letter read in Sargon's video that Islam is an "imperialist political ideology", but the part of the topic that I can address is the sort of left vs. right situation, where it seems terms like Islamaphobia are meant to shut down discussion
Because it is primariliy a political ideology containing a religion, it should be treated akin to any political ideology, such as communism, capitalism, fasism, etc., and should not be treated reverently. It should be critically scrutinized, but it's not, which is how Islamists are winning, by incorporating Koranic and Prophetic theocracy into their arguments and then taking cover behind laws against apostacy and blasphemy, preventing effective counter-arguments.
Steve James wrote:Michael wrote:So, I don't think the number of Muslims killed by USA led wars, as regrettable as they are, is directly relevant to the claimed problems with Muslim immigration into Western countries or the claim that some Islamists are inherently violent.
Michael, here's the problem with your argument. One, in the parts of Europe I know, Muslim immigration had begun in the 50s and 60s. In Germany, it was the Turks who'd come as "gastarbeiters" to help rebuild the nation in the post-war. In France, it was the Algerians. Watch the "Battle of Algiers" if you ever have a chance, btw. I wasn't in England, it was people from Pakistan and India who went there. Ok, I'm simplifying, but there was no religious culture clash in those countries. Otoh, there were and have been plenty of complaints by people (who were called the 'right') about immigration of foreigners, but not just or specifically Muslim.
Anyway, sure, it's reasonable to address the matter of a person's political ideology. It makes sense to be careful about who is allowed into the country. Yet, in the US, are we really concerned about people changing the culture? Or, is the argument that we don't want falafel trucks or mosques, the same way some don't want too many taco trucks?
Frankly, I have an opinion about treating those who have no shelter, etc., but it's not my call. I know what I'd like to happen to me. Imo, there's no way to stop someone who wants to do damage. In fact, I recall not too long ago when people were saying that all the security stuff was exaggerated. That the whole "anti-terrorism" thing was a ploy to increase government control. "Giving up liberty for the sake of security," was the phrase often used. "OBL was a myth, and we didn't kill him." Remember
windwalker wrote:It's difficult for me to form an opinion on what the problems with the immigration policies really are because I have very little experience with it, and I also believe in religious freedom, so it's also not easy to accept the claim from the letter read in Sargon's video that Islam is an "imperialist political ideology", but the part of the topic that I can address is the sort of left vs. right situation, where it seems terms like Islamaphobia are meant to shut down discussion
Thanks for a well reasoned and thoughtfule post. I do have experience with immigration policies and services. Not good.Because it is primariliy a political ideology containing a religion, it should be treated akin to any political ideology, such as communism, capitalism, fasism, etc., and should not be treated reverently. It should be critically scrutinized, but it's not, which is how Islamists are winning, by incorporating Koranic and Prophetic theocracy into their arguments and then taking cover behind laws against apostacy and blasphemy, preventing effective counter-arguments.
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