Steve Rowe wrote:Controversial because everyone seems to have a different opinion as to what peng is. But.... maybe it's not so much as in the past.
windwalker wrote:Steve Rowe wrote:Controversial because everyone seems to have a different opinion as to what peng is. But.... maybe it's not so much as in the past.
What makes your opinion more valid than anyone else's opinion. I would think it's what a person does with it and can demonstrate rather than how it's done or explained.
In what are called the taiji classics it's pretty well documented as to the qualities and usage.
You have put forth a theory about what you feel it is, how do you test your theory to make sure what you say you are doing is in fact what you're doing.
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:From the lin kong jin master...What a dick.
charles wrote:Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:From the lin kong jin master...What a dick.
Now, now. He's raised a very valid point. How about addressing his point rather than just going for the ad hominem?
How is it that everyone has a definition of "peng", many of which differ from one another, but few have the skills for which the art is famous? Something doesn't add up.
I appreciate Steve's poem, and his efforts to try to describe what is peng. However, I think he has cause and effect reversed. As I understand it and have experienced it, peng is a result (effect): it is not a cause. For example, peng doesn't cause relaxation: relaxation "causes" (is a prerequisite for) peng. Peng doesn't cause the things he attributes to it, but, rather, are the result of what is done to produce peng. That is, the cause can have more than one effect, one of which can be peng.
charles wrote: I think he has cause and effect reversed. As I understand it and have experienced it, peng is a result (effect): it is not a cause. For example, peng doesn't cause relaxation: relaxation "causes" (is a prerequisite for) peng. Peng doesn't cause the things he attributes to it, but, rather, are the result of what is done to produce peng. That is, the cause can have more than one effect, one of which can be peng..
windwalker wrote:Steve Rowe wrote:Controversial because everyone seems to have a different opinion as to what peng is. But.... maybe it's not so much as in the past.
What makes your opinion more valid than anyone else's opinion. I would think it's what a person does with it and can demonstrate rather than how it's done or explained.
In what are called the taiji classics it's pretty well documented as to the qualities and usage.
You have put forth a theory about what you feel it is, how do you test your theory to make sure what you say you are doing is in fact what you're doing.
Controversial because everyone seems to have a different opinion as to what peng is. But.... maybe it's not so much as in the past.
charles wrote:I appreciate Steve's poem, and his efforts to try to describe what is peng. However, I think he has cause and effect reversed. As I understand it and have experienced it, peng is a result (effect): it is not a cause. For example, peng doesn't cause relaxation: relaxation "causes" (is a prerequisite for) peng. Peng doesn't cause the things he attributes to it, but, rather, are the result of what is done to produce peng. That is, the cause can have more than one effect, one of which can be peng.
charles wrote:I appreciate Steve's poem, and his efforts to try to describe what is peng. However, I think he has cause and effect reversed. As I understand it and have experienced it, peng is a result (effect): it is not a cause. For example, peng doesn't cause relaxation: relaxation "causes" (is a prerequisite for) peng. Peng doesn't cause the things he attributes to it, but, rather, are the result of what is done to produce peng. That is, the cause can have more than one effect, one of which can be peng.
Windwalker wrote: You've shared some of your theory, just wondered how you tested it to insure in fact what you've described is in fact what you are doing.
I'm lucky that I teach a lot of very experienced martial artists across a range of disciplines including security personnel, LEO'S and sports fighters, so we get test everything in a variety of formats.
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