MaartenSFS wrote: All I said is those videos don't represent TCMA.
I also never said that it should look like TCMA for styles' sake. It can't look the same because the techniques and strategies are different. Looking different is an effect, not the cause.. And, if it's my statement that the hand techniques looked sloppy, it's because they were. I also said the throws looked good. I wasn't being unfair or talking shit.
Is this some kind of tag team? Niall got tired so you jump in? Why haven't either of you added me on WeChat and had a look?
Why do you claim to do TCMA and talk shit about China and TCMA and people that have devoted many, many years of their lives to slum it here and try to learn these arts in the country they came from? Have either of you been to China? Lived here? It's not a goddamn picnic.
Every time I take a challenge in a park I am putting myself at risk. No referees. A foreigner in a very xenophobic country. Don't scoff at my non-competition training. It has worked for me and isn't any less TCMA than someone that fights in competitions. Go to a boxing gym and a champion and an amateur will both look like they are training and sparring boxing because boxing looks like fucking boxing and there is no mistaking it.
Anyways, I've said enough to both of you. I've provided evidence and you both ignore it. Your agenda is clear. TCMA are dead in China and you are all that is left. Good for you.
cloudz wrote:MaartenSFS wrote: All I said is those videos don't represent TCMA.
Says you dick head. Maybe not your TCMA, but they represent Nialls in that format under those conditions. If you can't be respectful of that, regardless of how you ultimately judge it in private then you are an ignorant dick head asking for a problem.
cloudz wrote:Is TOD as awesome in real life as he is online ?
cloudz wrote:MaartenSFS wrote: All I said is those videos don't represent TCMA.
Says you dick head. Maybe not your TCMA, but they represent Nialls in that format under those conditions. If you can't be respectful of that, regardless of how you ultimately judge it in private then you are an ignorant dick head asking for a problem.
SorryI also never said that it should look like TCMA for styles' sake. It can't look the same because the techniques and strategies are different. Looking different is an effect, not the cause.. And, if it's my statement that the hand techniques looked sloppy, it's because they were. I also said the throws looked good. I wasn't being unfair or talking shit.
When you have a trained fighter competitvely trying to rip your head off it equalises a lot of this shit down to looking similar - because of pragmatism and the respective levels.
You can't prove your ideal/ alternative works at competitive levels because you are not tested against real fighters of your weight class. The fact that you consistently beleive it is otherwise tells me you have not been on the business end of a decent same size or bigger trained fighter not doing you any favours.Is this some kind of tag team? Niall got tired so you jump in? Why haven't either of you added me on WeChat and had a look?
No bollocks.. I'm not his best mate, best fan or anything like that, we've had the odd heated discussion ourselves. I went through this with you before and I actually afforded you some benefit of the doubt. It's more to do with the recent tai chi vs. MMA video and discussions going on that I feel I want to talk about this stuff again. I can give my opinion on what I saw from you and your general attitude to certain things, otherwise don't put it out there and then make 100 excuses.
Nothing else has been forthcoming on here clip wise. You are not good enough or special enough for me to add you to anything, I don't have the app and am not interested in getting it. You think you're the only person who can look good in conducive conditions. Yea I bet your masters are brilliant at that. Try some real pressure if you know what that is, and let's fucking see it. That affords you the right to say anything you like in my book.
Why do you claim to do TCMA and talk shit about China and TCMA and people that have devoted many, many years of their lives to slum it here and try to learn these arts in the country they came from? Have either of you been to China? Lived here? It's not a goddamn picnic.
Yea whatever. I try to talk to you sincerely thinking you might not get defensive and emotional but it's too much to ask, I should know better for sure.Every time I take a challenge in a park I am putting myself at risk. No referees. A foreigner in a very xenophobic country. Don't scoff at my non-competition training. It has worked for me and isn't any less TCMA than someone that fights in competitions. Go to a boxing gym and a champion and an amateur will both look like they are training and sparring boxing because boxing looks like fucking boxing and there is no mistaking it.
The levels are miles apart so stop being condescending. We've seen what pure Chinese TCMA guys are capable of against fighters.
The level is an embarrassment. But don't mistake that evidence based opinion for some blanket opinion on all and sundry.
That's where you start to create a strawman. I know there's gems in all KF, but that includes a level of humility and appreciation you sadly lack.
Yet, not one is yet capable to support any idea that the training and its end product is comparible in effectiveness to what any combat sport fighters can do in any given format and remain largely as practiced in conducive conditions and environments. Come on Why doesn't one of the many great masters you have lauded here (TCC and others) fight a guy and save us all embarrassment and arguments on how KF 'should' look? You're the one making claims about looks, onus on you or shut up. Will anyone real from over ever step up and end all this bollocks please, then we can all know the real TCMA. Maybe there's one or two left you didn't change your mind about.
So keep in mind you might still change your mind about a lot of this down the road.Anyways, I've said enough to both of you. I've provided evidence and you both ignore it. Your agenda is clear. TCMA are dead in China and you are all that is left. Good for you.
Ha ha I didn't say that but good for you LOL. My agenda?
Come on man. Your whole narrative for ages has been crystal. I don't need to convince others about how you've talked, and I reckon you don't need reminding of all the charlie big bollocks you have spouted around here. When you get to the West maybe I will come and learn the real shit from you.
happy training.
MaartenSFS wrote:Niall, you make some fair points, but also confirm your ignorance of important aspects of TCMA. You're right, I have improved much since that video was taken, but remember that I injured the other hand and was effectively fighting his two hands with one and had to switch to an unorthodox stance (since I use the lead hand most of the time). He may look smaller than me, but, like me, he trained his arse off and hit hard.
The swinging techniques are very effective. Remember that there are entire arts based around it like Tongbiquan and Piguazhang. I have trained these techniques for years and my swings are devastating because of the penetration, which cause internal damage. No one in their right mind would try to block those. I can also change angles or directions if someone tries to evade them (which I'm counting on) or switch to another technique. Nowadays I cover better and have better follow-ups, but fuck me if I don't still use them to lead in sometimes (I have a lot of other techniques in my bag as well).
Trick wrote:I don't know, i'm probably mistaken but it seem that some here very much promote kickboxing/MMA,and the promotors are TJQ practitioners but competed successfully in kickboxing/MMA format. Would you say that by practicing your TJQ forms it gives you an advantage/edge over kickboxing"purists" & MMA fighters ? If so are you on Kickboxing/MMA forums promoting as heavily the practice of TJQ as you here promote Kickboxing?
MaartenSFS wrote:You and Niall are the condescending ones for suggesting that only competition videos can be legitimate proof of TCMA.
Not everyone has access to or cares about competition. How am I being condescending when I am defending my viewpoint and you say that I am not even worth adding? Seriously?? WTF. You ask for evidence and then tell me off without looking at it? Call me a "dickhead"? That's the best that you could come up with. Pathetic.
You don't fucking know me. I really can't understand why you would think that I am condescending. Everyone goes on about there being no sparring videos for TCMA and that TCMA is dead. It's not dead for me. I fucking learned it right here in China. Took me SEVEN years to find it. But because I don't compete it's not legitimate. Go do MMA then.
Niall Keane wrote:
And that's grand, cloudz is happy for them, live and let live, cloudz is sounder than me. See I see them as creating a culture of deception, deception that wastes decades of peoples lives selling them the easier option, and ultimately destroys the perception of TCMA as a viable set of combat systems (as we see in the mma v tcc video) and so leads to the young lad considering martial arts (to learn to fight rather than to pose) to steer away from CMA.
It's a contaminant that will ultimtely kill the baby in the bath water until all that is left is the poison!
cloudz wrote:
I feel like that Samual Jackson monologue from pulp fiction at times, you know the one about the sheep and sheperd and trying to walk some middle road. Oh whetever, I like losing my shit sometimes
Fatal Rose wrote:Why can't fellow TCMA enthusiast meet up and come up with a proper sparring format? I'm in Shijiazhuang Hebei if anyone is near me.
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