Ng-Siu-Chung taught three prominent students who became key figures in the migration of white crane kung-fu to the U.S.: CheukTiang-Tse, in Hawaii; Chan-Hoc-Fu, whose student, George Long, was the first person to open his kwoon (Chinese school) to non Orientals in San Francisco; and Lak-Chi-Fu, whose student, Quentin Fong, is well known in the U.S., and whose son, Lak-Chung-Mau, teaches the art in Canada.
. White crane footwork, like that of Hop-Gar, is based on moves developed for the mui-fa-jeong (plum-flower stumps), a series of tree-stumps driven into the ground atop which students practiced kung-fu.
This philosophy of white crane,identical to that of Hop-Gar, is based on four words:
chon (to destroy), sim (to evade), chun (to penetrate), and jeet (to intercept).
suckinlhbf wrote:Thanks, Mike. The "needle in cotton" movements and dimension seems to be differ from the other fists of White Crane. I heard it was developed by the founder, Ng Siu Chung to focus on cultivating internal strength. For sure power from burning palm can be applied into it.
Well say "Skillful means". I have trained for years and is still trying to formulate a path to help getting a more direct access to gain internal strength. Still experiencing it but seems little results. I started to teach my kid when she was 3 years old by telling her nothing other than played with her to hit me hard. After each hit, I would told her how to adjust the movement to make me hurt more. Once, I poked her belly, and she felt the hit stay inside the body for a while. She started to mimic to get the power go deeper and deeper. She gets it from years of punching me. But, can't do it with others. I can't survive.
windwalker wrote:Interesting Ken,
would you have a link to your article.Ng-Siu-Chung taught three prominent students who became key figures in the migration of white crane kung-fu to the U.S.: CheukTiang-Tse, in Hawaii; Chan-Hoc-Fu, whose student, George Long, was the first person to open his kwoon (Chinese school) to non Orientals in San Francisco; and Lak-Chi-Fu, whose student, Quentin Fong, is well known in the U.S., and whose son, Lak-Chung-Mau, teaches the art in Canada.
I also trained a little with Cheuk Tse, school in Hawaii.. White crane footwork, like that of Hop-Gar, is based on moves developed for the mui-fa-jeong (plum-flower stumps), a series of tree-stumps driven into the ground atop which students practiced kung-fu.
This philosophy of white crane,identical to that of Hop-Gar, is based on four words:
chon (to destroy), sim (to evade), chun (to penetrate), and jeet (to intercept).
http://www.worldblackbelt.com/informati ... hite-crane
In Mikes gym, as I remember we practiced the mui-fa-jeong, on home made post made from cement post low to the ground....
later in other places I would use cinder blocks....or bricks.
@Mike,
can you speak a little about the foot work used, and its relationship to the style,,,
the White Crane techniques are meant to be used as practiced... precisely as practiced.
He felt they were superior to the needle in cotton set
windwalker wrote:Many ask about the feats of old, such as burning hand, and iron palm as to why it never seem to make it into the MMA,UFC ect...
dspyrido wrote:windwalker wrote:Many ask about the feats of old, such as burning hand, and iron palm as to why it never seem to make it into the MMA,UFC ect...
Truly an excellent question which can't be answered with memory recollections of the past. It has to be answered with why it does not appear today especially since we have such excellent video coverage where we don't have to rely on potentially flawed memory (I say flawed beacuse all memory has the elasticty problem to change over time).
I would even go another simpler step. Dont put it in the ring as it might be inappropriate for the method. Get several well trained mma stars and demonstrate the method on them. Even if it's a static demo but presents as mentioned in this thread there would 1000s of students signing up the next day including the top mma guys looking for any edge they might get in the ring.
Understandably, Great Grandmaster Al Novak is the only individual that Bruce Lee would not spar with publicly. Because of his enormous power and lightning quick hand speed, anyone that crossed hands with Al in sparring was destined to get steamrolled before they could react or even block his awesome punching barrages.
It was he and his Sifu, James Lee, that developed the shortest distance principle for executing highly focused punches at the closest possible ranges. This, they could do with board and brick breaking techniques at a mere distance of only two or three inches. It took considerable “compressed” force to accomplish a feat of this nature.
It was James Lee’s MODERN KUNG-FU KARATE, Iron, Poison Hand training. It was James and Al’s study of this phenomena that inspired Bruce Lee to develop his techniques for short-distance penetration punching. He was also one of the first Americans to explore and master the art of “Iron Palm” training.
suckinlhbf wrote:He felt they were superior to the needle in cotton set
Can't agree with him. Read the "Lion Roar" book of Ng Siu Chung, we can see how deep his skill is.
Mpstaples wrote:I specially like your quote at the bottom, Wayne:
"Don't put power into the form let it naturally arise from the form"
Very nice.
windwalker wrote:Is this a memory
another memory
met teacher Al Novak, long ago.
It was said he could break any brick in a stack of 3..Understandably, Great Grandmaster Al Novak is the only individual that Bruce Lee would not spar with publicly. Because of his enormous power and lightning quick hand speed, anyone that crossed hands with Al in sparring was destined to get steamrolled before they could react or even block his awesome punching barrages.
It was he and his Sifu, James Lee, that developed the shortest distance principle for executing highly focused punches at the closest possible ranges. This, they could do with board and brick breaking techniques at a mere distance of only two or three inches. It took considerable “compressed” force to accomplish a feat of this nature.
https://www.usadojo.com/al-novak/It was James Lee’s MODERN KUNG-FU KARATE, Iron, Poison Hand training. It was James and Al’s study of this phenomena that inspired Bruce Lee to develop his techniques for short-distance penetration punching. He was also one of the first Americans to explore and master the art of “Iron Palm” training.
I am only quoting someone who trained both systems
Have you learnt the noi gung of both systems
taught the lama blocks (large wooden blocks like kettle bells ) using the six strength kune
He also taught the burning palm slapping pads and the white crane noi gung
He did not teach the needle in cotton set
The reason he did not teach it was because he had become an indoor student of Chen tin hung and learnt his square ,circular and circular continuous Wu style forms along with the 24 noi gung.
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