You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand.
johnwang wrote:In "training", the difference between boxing punch and CMA punch are:
1. In
- boxing punch, when you punch out your right fist, your left fist are resting - not doing anything.
- CMA punch, when you punch out your right fist, you pull back your left fist at the same time. Your right arm and left arm coordinate as one unit.
marvin8 wrote:From Robert Tangora Tai Chi Cloud Hands Interview,
This is kind of the place where I say, you can do the cross body power stuff and you can do it just purely as bio-mechanics. And it’s quite effective. It’s actually very efficient. And actually I allude to this in the book, but a good example of this if you want to see it, watch the documentary ‘When We Were Kings’, which was the Foreman-Ali documentary that was done before the fight in Zaire, and there’s a scene where they show Foreman hitting a heavy bag. And it’s the biggest heavy bag that you can get, something like about 150 pounds. And he’s hitting it and he’s basically indented it, like it was a basketball or watermelon from just hitting it. And what George Foreman did very well is exactly what cross body power is:
Published on Jan 21, 2014
George Foreman Hitting the bag with all his power THREE different times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApQlzehYyfo
johnwang wrote:2. In
- boxing punch, your right straight punch and left straight punch may not hit on the same spot.
- CMA punch, your right straight punch and left straight punch will always hit on the exactly same spot.
johnwang wrote:3. In
- boxing punch, your straight punch will go through a straight line.
- CMA punch, when you do a straight punch, your fist, elbow, and arm are twisting from the beginning all the way till the end.
What's your opinion on this?
johnwang wrote:In the following clip, you can see when he punches one hand out, his other hand is "static".
johnwang wrote:When you punch your right hand out, if you pull your left hand back, this punch out and pull back coordination will cause your body to rotate. It will help you to generate punching power. I just don't see this training exist in the WC system.
In the following clip, you can see when he punches one hand out, his other hand is "static".
marvin8 wrote:These are theories and demonstrations. How it would work in sparring, I don't know
dspyrido wrote:marvin8 wrote:These are theories and demonstrations. How it would work in sparring, I don't know
They dont work in sparring. They are training concepts to remove tension, getting better alignment snd being able to focus the body better in application. In sparring they have either been ingrained to help or not.
They dont remove the value of speed, reacting with the right counters, foot work, generating power with the use of the coordinated body and cardio if the sparring is intense and last several minutes. They can help but only if the fundamentals are in place.
marvin8 wrote:johnwang wrote:marvin8 wrote:Is there any video showing the internal “body method” being used in competition or real fight, not a demonstration? There are many videos of trained athletes' KO’s, ippons, submissions, etc.
How would internal "body method" help improve these athletes’ body method and outcomes?
That is the question that I have tried to asked in the past 20 years in this forum.
1. What should "internal body method" look like when you apply "hip throw" or "single leg"? Can someone just put up a "demo" clip?
For John Wang. Finally found it @2:50! :
wayne hansen wrote:I agree with the point on similarity
marvin8 wrote:If the CMA punch is "ingrained" and from "generating power with the use of the coordinated body," should we not see a difference in effect against an opponent in sparring? Or at least hear about it afterwards?
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