C.J.W. wrote:Yes, I agree.
In Chinese boxing (chuan/zhang) styles, most of the throws and takedowns taught are "die" as opposed to "shuai." I believe the main reason being throws that involve turning your back to the opponent is too risky from the point of view of a boxer.
C.J.W. wrote: turning your back to the opponent is too risky from the point of view of a boxer.
C.J.W. wrote:"Shuai" is the common term that refers to throwing in general, but the lesser-known "die," which means to fall or stumble, is a term that I rarely hear in discussions. The way I was taught is that "shuai" involves throwing the opponent over your hips or back. The motion is usually large and committed, and both of the opponent's feet are lifted off the ground during the execution of a technique.
"Die," on the other hand, is best described as quick takedowns that cause the opponent to stumble and fall. It is usually done in combination with striking and trapping, which off-balance the opponent and set him up for a takedown. "Die" techniques make use of small subtle movements (such as foot trapping) and manipulation of the four limbs to achieved the desired effects. The effort required is much less compared to "shuai."
middleway wrote:I define 'throws' as methods where the opponents feet leave the ground, ike throwing a ball off a cliff, and 'take downs' where their feet dont, like rolling a ball off a cliff.
Nice one, thanks Chris am going to pinch that
johnwang wrote:When striking is allowed, the "entering strategy" is important.
Hip throw without body turn. To enter through a correct angle is critical. It doesn't require body turn but just a forward step.
C.J.W. wrote:After reading the responses in the Taiji throw thread, I've begun to wonder if other posters here make a distinction between "shuai" and "die."
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