everything wrote:What is the required flexibility for snake creeps down? There is quite a lot of flexibility (and strength) needed. Probably all of those terms apply.
Yang Lu-chan when performing 'snake creeps down' was reputed to be able to pick up a coin with his mouth, he was so low that it was like sitting on the floor.
windwalker wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o21lg4P ... e=youtu.be
My teacher practicing some from work, at the time he was in his 60s
He taught this to some of the younger people.
The training to do it was said to be around 3 yrs.
When I first started training with his group, I noted some squatting exercise that they would do along with some others.
Having a back ground in CMA I felt I could just copy the movements and do it. In doing so I damaged my legs took a week or so to really recover.
Things are not always what they seem..What I've learned some things take time and can not be rushed with out danger of damaging oneself.
His first grandson, was said to have practiced parts of the form under a table just like in the stories of old. His training was very tough.
Some of his students had such flexibility one could push them and not find a limit to their movement, their range of movement was just to big.
It is said that in the old daysYang Lu-chan when performing 'snake creeps down' was reputed to be able to pick up a coin with his mouth, he was so low that it was like sitting on the floor.
http://www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/ya ... uotes1.htm
Having said this, if one understands intent and how to use it, the bodies range of movement is not enough, the minds range has no limit...
The legends tells of Ban Hou, a Tai Chi master who was teaching in the imperial court and one day walked past the horse stables after his class with the royal family.
He observed a poor stable boy mimicking his Tai Chi movements and confronted him asking where he learned it.
The boy responded that he was spying on the classes Ban Hou was giving to the royal family and picked a few things.
Further more the boy asked Ban Hou to become his teacher.
Hearing all of that Ban Hou responded: 'If you can touch your chin to your toes with a locked knee in 100 days - I will teach you'.
(read more here: http://www.guangpingyang.org/History2.htm)
When Wang finished bowing. his forehead red and bruised. Ban-Hou said to him. "If you really want to learn real Kung-Fu from me, you have to bend down to touch your chin to toe within 100 days." Wang Jiao-Yu practiced very hard daily and succeeded in touching his chin to toe way before the 100 days had passes and thereby became one of the only three disciples accepted by Yang Ban-Hou.
windwalker wrote:Since you've not encountered the people I've met and know I'd have to say
you really don't quite understand, not here to convince anyone.
Rather then derail the thread about something un related it might be
better to address it in another topic.
Do you have any thing to add regarding lower extremity flexibility
why it was mentioned in the past, used by some teachers and taiji styles
as a requirement before learning or being taught taiji?
Is it needed?The legends tells of Ban Hou, a Tai Chi master who was teaching in the imperial court and one day walked past the horse stables after his class with the royal family.
He observed a poor stable boy mimicking his Tai Chi movements and confronted him asking where he learned it.
The boy responded that he was spying on the classes Ban Hou was giving to the royal family and picked a few things.
Further more the boy asked Ban Hou to become his teacher.
Hearing all of that Ban Hou responded: 'If you can touch your chin to your toes with a locked knee in 100 days - I will teach you'.
(read more here: http://www.guangpingyang.org/History2.htm)When Wang finished bowing. his forehead red and bruised. Ban-Hou said to him. "If you really want to learn real Kung-Fu from me, you have to bend down to touch your chin to toe within 100 days." Wang Jiao-Yu practiced very hard daily and succeeded in touching his chin to toe way before the 100 days had passes and thereby became one of the only three disciples accepted by Yang Ban-Hou.
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