johnwang wrote: I will beat him up that
- he will not be able to take care of himself for the rest of his life.
dspyrido wrote:Although JW's kill or be killed view might be considered a bit extreme I keep thinking:
1. No one should really want to kill anyone but ignoring the fact that these are martial arts practices which have a root in defending & countering dangerous situations means forgetting where this stuff all came from. Not a good idea because tofu skills won't last against a sledge hammer.
2. When people talk about overcoming a malicious opponent without harming them I keep thinking there is something really wrong. Either the attacker is a 3 year old, was not serious about hurting anyone or a useless drunk uncle that needs to be put in line. It makes sense in these situations but if there is a real danger then thinking overcoming them with little force makes things very dangerous. Better to not train at all and learn how to turn & sprint really fast while doing a serpentine.
3. The Tai Chi forms all have moves that can displace someone and control them but I know there are also a lot of moves that can only really be applied on joints to frankly mess em up. So spending a lot of time learning to neutralise an opponent and very little time learning the methods of messing them up makes me think that they are not being true to the real TC. It's like doing kickboxing and saying ... no punches. Maybe it works as a training method but misses the big picture.
dspyrido wrote:Although JW's kill or be killed view might be considered a bit extreme I keep thinking:
1. No one should really want to kill anyone but ignoring the fact that these are martial arts practices which have a root in defending & countering dangerous situations means forgetting where this stuff all came from. Not a good idea because tofu skills won't last against a sledge hammer.
2. When people talk about overcoming a malicious opponent without harming them I keep thinking there is something really wrong. Either the attacker is a 3 year old, was not serious about hurting anyone or a useless drunk uncle that needs to be put in line. It makes sense in these situations but if there is a real danger then thinking overcoming them with little force makes things very dangerous. Better to not train at all and learn how to turn & sprint really fast while doing a serpentine.
3. The Tai Chi forms all have moves that can displace someone and control them but I know there are also a lot of moves that can only really be applied on joints to frankly mess em up. So spending a lot of time learning to neutralise an opponent and very little time learning the methods of messing them up makes me think that they are not being true to the real TC. It's like doing kickboxing and saying ... no punches. Maybe it works as a training method but misses the big picture.
Itten wrote:There is no "commandment" in aikido not to injure your opponent.
"If your opponent cuts your jacket, cut his skin, if he cuts skin, cut muscle, if he cuts muscle, cut bone, if he cuts bone, take his life".
This is not referring to action/ reaction but reading intent, and being ahead of the opponent. It is also in line with the principle of force escalation that does not require decision making or change of body mechanics.
I am sorry that the public face of modern aikido is about as bad as modern Tai Chi, after all we are brother arts, but as many of you here are fond of pointing out, that's the times we live in.
On one of the video clips is some Philipinno panantukan, very nice. Slip blades in the hands instead of striking and it makes even more sense than trying to graft it onto MMA. Most aikido makes good sense with a blade but that's not good for public perception. Likewise, the throws of tai chi chuan, when executed correctly, are lethal or at least crippling.
Maybe the figure of 99% is a bit high
johnwang wrote:windwalker wrote:Have you killed anyone
I have not killed anybody yet. But someone tried to kill me when I was young. If one has to die, I prefer that dead person could be him and not me.
But if someone attacks my wife, I will beat him up that
- his own mother won't be able to recognize him.
- he will regret that his mother ever brought him into this world.
- he will not be able to take care of himself for the rest of his life.
- he will need to pick up all his missing teeth from the ground.
- he will feel that death is not that bad after all.
In order to do so, I'll need to develop "ability to kill" through CMA training.
is that a Buddhist saying ?johnwang wrote:When you kill one bad guy, you have saved many good guys. When that bad guy is alive, he will kill many good guys. so when you kill that bad guy, you are not killing but saving.
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