I-mon wrote:Thanks for the history lessons guys, it's very interesting stuff.
Niall Keane wrote:
So you either got a Shaolin master who travelled to hua shan, learnt daoist methods, went to the martial mecca of Wudang, spent 10 years "cultivating" (I'd imagine with other masters drawn to that Mecca) his art and retiring to Baoji to teach monks, a stones throw from Xian where Wang Zue and Wang Zue yue are supposed to reside... or, alternatively, village idiots in a rural backwater supposed to come up with a seriously sophisticated martial art on their own-some?
Occam's razor anyone?
Niall Keane wrote:It is said that Chen changxing was a disgrace to the village because he was defeated by Chang Fa and went on to learn and teach his art "inside the door". I'm sure I don't need to repeat the story of Chang Fa looking and laughing at Chen teaching the village pao chui.... being caught doing so and turning to leave where Chen chases after him only to be effortlessly thrown down then begging to be taught.
Wu tu-nan said that the village teacher told him that Chen fake went to great efforts to kill the history of Chang Fa off and insist that the art was invented by their own ancestors
Appledog wrote:Finally, the whole Song Shuming/Wu Tu-Nan thing. There is a lot of weirdness surrounding that story. Kind of like an alternate universe kinda feeling. I think that if you need to rely on something Wu Tu-Nan or Song Shu-ming said to prove a point your point has issues. I wouldn't even know where to begin. I'd start by trying to find a single corroborating source. There aren't any. Song Shuming was a magical pied piper who waltzed in, told his story, then waltzed out. Poof gone. It's kind of like a magical fairy who conveniently came in to verify everything Wu Tunan said, and then disappeared. I would also ask as an aside; have you seen Wu Tunan's form? It seems strange.
amor wrote:Appledog wrote:Finally, the whole Song Shuming/Wu Tu-Nan thing. There is a lot of weirdness surrounding that story. Kind of like an alternate universe kinda feeling. I think that if you need to rely on something Wu Tu-Nan or Song Shu-ming said to prove a point your point has issues. I wouldn't even know where to begin. I'd start by trying to find a single corroborating source. There aren't any. Song Shuming was a magical pied piper who waltzed in, told his story, then waltzed out. Poof gone. It's kind of like a magical fairy who conveniently came in to verify everything Wu Tunan said, and then disappeared. I would also ask as an aside; have you seen Wu Tunan's form? It seems strange.
Wu Tunan's taichi is the real deal. One of the few styles and learners of this particular form of taichi, that ive come across, who know how to use it devastatingly well imo
Niall Keane wrote:My own teacher was there in 1984 and changxings tombstone was thrown up against a fence and his name basically errased from the record.
Appledog wrote:...the things you are saying appear to conflict with existing information. You're also ignoring what I said...
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