charles wrote:A portion of it can be found here: http://yangfamilytaichi.com/articles/silk-reeling/
According to qualities and capabilities, Tai Chi Chuan silk reeling energy can be divided into two basic types. The first is ‘forward’ (shun) silk reeling where the palms rotate from facing inward to facing outward. Within this group almost all consist of Peng (ward off) energy (see the solid lines in figure 1). The second type is ‘backward’ (ni) silk reeling where the palms rotate from facing outward to facing inward
The two opposing windings affect the way the whole body twists, but we can basically describe the windings as something like “come to” or “Shun” and “go against” or “Ni”. In other words, if you hold your hand palm-inward in front of your face and then push it out away from your face so that it’s palm-outward, the arm just spiraled in a “Ni” manner. Bringing your hand back, palm-inward, in front of your face will be spiraling in the “Shun” manner.
Yeung wrote: the following diagram from page 19 of his book should be known to everyone here:
http://www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/images/silkr1.gif
charles wrote:Yeung wrote: the following diagram from page 19 of his book should be known to everyone here:
http://www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/images/silkr1.gif
To the best of my knowledge, the image, above, first appeared in Chen Xin's book. Since "this image should be known to everyone here", I'm curious what those here think the image means.
Tom wrote:Charles, the image of the hands referenced above is not in Chen Xin's book. The first time it appears is in Shen Jiazhen's book as cited.
amor wrote:mike sigmans description of shun/ni differs from the author in the yangfamily taichi link but Im not just showing this because its mike, authors elsewhere ive seen also agree with mikes version.
So which one is the correct description here, any ideas?
robert wrote:
The description that the palms rotate inward and outward seems pretty clear. Does the use of the terms shun and ni add any clarity? Why not just say inward and outward?
Here is an excerpt from Chen Xin's book
Coiling power (Chan Jin) is all over the body. Putting it most simply, there is coiling inward (Li Chan) and coiling outward (Wai Chan), which both appear once (one) moves. There is one (kind of coiling) when left hand is in front and right hand is behind; (or when) right hand is in front and left hand is behind; this one closes (He) (the hands) with one conforming (Shun) (movement). There is also one (coiling) that closes the inside of the left (side of the body) and the back of the right (side of the body), and another which uses the through-the-back power (Fanbei Jin) and closes towards the back. All of them should be moved naturally according to the (specific) postures.
He also says Putting it most simply, there is coiling inward (Li Chan) and coiling outward (Wai Chan). I like simplicity. He also says this one closes (He) (the hands) with one conforming (Shun) (movement) - he equates closing with shun; that agrees with what Mike said.
Chen Shi Taijiquan Tushuo was written between 1908 - 1919, are there earlier references to the terms shun and ni regarding chan si jin?
cloudz wrote:It would be intersesting to see someone do the exercise that correlates to that diagram.
amor wrote:It''s a difficult topic imo especially when you get into the energetic flows these movements cause and the many permutations that occur through out forms, no one except a taichi 'master' could tell you this. There's not much on the rsf about this either understandably so.
Not much on yt either but I found this excerpt from Chen Zhongua which shows a little:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADxV3GQwI5I
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