willie wrote: There is actually a video of CXW telling the story of YLC when he was actually caught stealing the family art. And the family discussing whether or not they were going to kill him. Perhaps I will take the time and find that video and post it so you can get your facts correct.
charles wrote:willie wrote: There is actually a video of CXW telling the story of YLC when he was actually caught stealing the family art. And the family discussing whether or not they were going to kill him. Perhaps I will take the time and find that video and post it so you can get your facts correct.
I'd like to see that. I'm curious how it turned out for him.
willie wrote:They decided not to kill him, but instead teach him formally, then they didn't have too.
willie wrote:no, it's not my argument. It's the Chen families argument. As a matter of fact my opinions are based on that. There is actually a video of CXW telling the story of YLC when he was actually caught stealing the family art. And the family discussing whether or not they were going to kill him. Perhaps I will take the time and find that video and post it so you can get your facts correct.Steve James wrote:Well, imo, your argument about theft is ridiculous, whether you are serious or not. As Charles said, the only reason you or I have been able to learn tcc is because it was taught to YLC who, like us, was not a family member. YLC is the reason tcc was made public. That's not a legend.
Hong Junsheng, a disciple of Chen Fake, was understandably upset about this treatment of Chen Style. He began his Taiji studies with Wu style, and later switched to Chen Style. For him, Chen and Wu were both authentic Taijiquan styles, and both were internal.
He begged his teacher for an explanation. Master Chen’s answer had nothing to do with either Chen or Wu styles: My ancestors invented it. My great grandfather practiced it [translator’s note: This refers to Chen Changxing, who taught Yang Luchan, the creator of Yang Style].
My father practiced it.
I practice it now. We do not call it Taiji. We do not have a name for it. You can call it anything you want, I will still practice it the same way I was taught. I don’t care what they put in the name!"
windwalker wrote: it would be interesting to read or hear of the accounting of YLC stay from a chen family member perspective.
charles wrote:YLC trained for 7 years, at which point his (retired) boss died and Village elders "freed" him, at which point YLC returned to his home town teaching Lao Jia.
yes I heard 18 years as well. But I never heard that story. Pretty cool thanksRon Panunto wrote:charles wrote:YLC trained for 7 years, at which point his (retired) boss died and Village elders "freed" him, at which point YLC returned to his home town teaching Lao Jia.
It is my understanding that YLC trained in Chen Village on 3 distinct 6 year periods for a total of 18 years. It is said that he first left the village after having studied for 6 years and then accepted a challenge. He was beaten badly, so he returned to the village and studied for another 6 years, left the village again, accepted another challenge and fought to a tie. He again returned to the village for another 6 years, left the village again and accepted another challenge. This time he won handily and never returned to the village, but instead started teaching. When the people witnessed his boxing they called it Cotton Fist.
just curious what you mean by MMA? MMA to me is a specific art consisting of Brazilian jiu jitsu, kickboxing, Muay Thai, and perhaps some Greco-Roman wrestling as well.everything wrote:almost 100% marketing b.s.
what can you do that you make useful? to paraphrase bruce lee.
the first Chen who had this art had his personal "mma" based on longfist and whatever he learned. that is almost by definition completely different than Sun Lutang's personal mma based on the big 3 (some way he is the one who categorized tjq, bgz, xyq as this ima family). who cares. there is no way to know which individual was better, the same way we will never know if fedor woulda beat couture by a lot or vice versa. would you rather study couture's grappling or fedor's sambo? which one is better for you? dunno.
willie wrote:Actually David, I just think that you have something against Chen style to begin with, perhaps you should sort that out first?
Bao wrote:
What I've heard was that YLC didn't try to steal or even copy anything. It was the Chen's who caught YLC practicing Xiao hong quan. They were so impressed by YLC that they wanted to exchange knowledge.
Trick wrote:Hmmm, so YLC went to the Chen village to practice Shaolin boxing ??
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