. Often the suggestion is that its faked or the students have been conditioned to react by subtle cues from the teacher. A reasonable person might ask why? what would be the point?
Qi in Taijiquan is an Intention Wave
A Study Based on Biomechanics By Jie Gu, Ph. D,
Abstract
A wave is a disturbance that propagates through a medium. A physical wave is the mechanical motion of the medium. For instance, the shear and longitudinal waves. A chemical wave is the propaga-tion of chemical reaction, for instance, the stimulation state of body tissue, the secretion state of body fluid, and the hormone gener-ation state, etc. Biological wave is the orderly wave in organic body, such as the rhythmic movement of the cells. Physiological wave include physical, chemical, and biological waves.
This paper presents a new con-cept: intention wave; and identify that Qi (LA) in Taijiquan is the
Jie Gu, Ph.D. is a
Detroit engineer and
has studied many
aspects of Tai Chi
Chuan over the years.
intention wave. An intention wave is the creation and propagation of Physiological wave under the guid-ance of the mind.
In this paper, using the concept of intention wave, we study the relationship and difference between the gas of breathing and the Qi in Taijiquan. We conclude that the gas of breathing is air; the Qi of Taijiquan ( tfRi.) is a wave; the air only gets into the lungs; Qi can travel to everywhere in a body. This paper study the functionalities for the force system and the Qi system in Taijiquan. We conclude that the force system is mainly for defense-offense. The Qi system is mainly for self-cultivation.
Qi in classical Taijiquan Theories
Qi is special in Taijiquan. Qi is quoted in many Taiji classical arti-cles. This article refer to it as the Qi of Taijiquan, or genuine Qi ( At-T,) .
In "Taijiquan Principles", Master Wang ZongYue said, "Qi sink in Dantian ) . " In "Thirteen
Posture Song " Master Wang ZongYue said, "Qi is all over the body with no delay. The stomach
is relaxed and tranquil with Qi boosting
In "Thirteen posture performing method", Master Wang ZongYue said, "Mind Qi, tranquil, then it can set into bone. Mind guide Qi to body. Also, Mind Qi transfers swiftly. and Qi delivers through nine beads ( , reaching everywhere. Also Qi is the flag"
In "Taijiquan forum", Master Wu YuXiang said, " Qi is elevat-ing. Also," In "Taijiquan training,"
Master Yang ChengFu said, " Downing Qi sink in Dantian. Also, Qi is in Dantian, is elevating, trav-els to everywhere of the human body, goes through nine beads.
Qi can transport from one organ to another, from organ to muscles, from muscles to bone, from Dantian to meridian, from tissue to blood.
Above all, mind can guide the production and operation of Qi.
The gas of breathing can only go into the lungs, Qi of Taijiquan can travel to everywhere in the body
The Qi in Taijiquan is different than the gas of breathing. The gas (pronounces as Qi in Chinese) of breathing is air.
The gas from atmosphere is mainly composed of oxygen and nitrogen. Humans inhale air into lungs, the lungs take in oxygen but release carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. So, the composition of the inhaled air and exhaled air are dif-ferent, but they are all composed by gas molecules.
On the contrary, the Qi of "Qi sinks in Dantian" is not composed of gas molecules at all. To differen-tiate them, we call the Qi in "Qi sink in Dantian" as genuine Qi (in Chinese, gas and Qi are shearing a same word).
Many articles discuss "what is genuine Qi." And the conclusions are not unanimous.
Some people contend that gen-uine Qi and air is similar.
Others believe that genuine Qi is a substance. More people propose that genuine Qi is an electromag-netic wave. Yet additional people suggest that genuine Qi is a pure energy.
These views can explain some aspects of Qi phenomena, but no single postulation can explain all the aspects and facts of Qi.
Even though the concept of Qi is the foundation of the traditional Chinese medicine theory, the mod-ern definition of Qi is not unanimous.
Qi in Qigong (AA) is from Chinese medicine. Chinese medi-cine uses the concept of Qi for diagnosis and medication.
In Qigong. however, the Qi con-cept is used for self-cultivation or martial arts. In Taijiquan, the Qi concept is used to improve health and enhance capabilities.
Therefore, Qi is born with everybody. It is not limited to those who practice Qigong.
middleway wrote:very glad it was slowed down. Something was making every person in that line squat so that they could jump. Nothing that the 'pusher' did made them squat then jump. This much is extremely clear.
intention wave. An intention wave is the creation and propagation of Physiological wave under the guid-ance of the mind.
Of course the point of a wave is that its a type of energy transference, which is felt first before its acted on. The teacher has to be able to generate this. I would say most could do it except that they have to give up their normal perceptions of what power is, and how its develived.
Also the application of the persons force to the first man was followed by a gap, then he reacted by squatting and jumping, the second person began their movement when they could feel the person infront of them squat and jump. The people jumping in a wave does not display have harmonics at all, just like a Mexican wave at a football match doesnt. These are demonstrating the same thing, people conciously raising in a wave.
I would not agree, with your assessment which is why I slowed it down. Being able to produce the same results helps a lot if one can do it .
Very easy to answer. People WANT to believe in spooky strange things! They will believe them to the point that they are so suggestable to their effect that they will act in strange ways. They will move, believing that it is somehting spooky, the thing they have bought into, not realising its ... just them moving .... This is precisely why there is not one peice of evidence availble on the web for a 'non' student, 'non beliver' being succeptable to these methods. They ONLY work when the partner believes they work and when they are fully succeptable. 3rd party stories from a believer like yourself are not good enough. They are just 3rd party stories.
There is not point in "believing" which I already suggested. It doesn't work if one can not do it, the timing is off, or the many other factors that are involved are off. But lets agree that they are not faking it, and are reacting to something they feel. It might make the conversation a little more productive.
To ask the questions you think we should ask, and as someone who knows the answers i ask you directly.
Why is it done?
How is it done?
Why is it useful?
It's done as a part of some teachers training to get a concept across. I also use similar types of demos for the same reasons.
How its done is why I posted it...I wanted to see if some after they get past the usale its "BS" might suggest or come up with their idea.
For me I use this in my work its quite clear.
Why is it useful, at first touch using this the others body is completely disrupted ie their balance is gone...How this is used martialy depends on ones level and type of training they do.
Look forward to the response (and assume it WONT be 'you have to find someone who can do it ...)
thanks.
intention wave. An intention wave is the creation and propagation of Physiological wave under the guid-ance of the mind.
In this paper, using the concept of intention wave, we study the relationship and difference between the gas of breathing and the Qi in Taijiquan. We conclude that the gas of breathing is air; the Qi of Taijiquan ( tfRi.) is a wave; the air only gets into the lungs; Qi can travel to everywhere in a body. This paper study the functionalities for the force system and the Qi system in Taijiquan. We conclude that the force system is mainly for defense-offense. The Qi system is mainly for self-cultivation.
intention wave. An intention wave is the creation and propagation of Physiological wave under the guid-ance of the mind.
I would not agree, with your assessment which is why I slowed it down. Being able to produce the same results helps a lot if one can do it .
There is not point in "believing" which I already suggested. It doesn't work if one can not do it, the timing is off, or the many other factors that are involved are off. But lets agree that they are not faking it, and are reacting to something they feel. It might make the conversation a little more productive.
It's done as a part of some teachers training to get a concept across. I also use similar types of demos for the same reasons.
How its done is why I posted it...I wanted to see if some after they get past the usale its "BS" might suggest or come up with their idea For me I use this so its quite clear.
Why is it useful, at first touch using this the others body is completely disrupted ie their balance is gone...How this is used martialy depends on ones level and type of training they do.
middleway wrote:What a terrible article. What do you find interesting there? I am reading alot of studies at the moment. This is really poorly laid out can you post a link to the full article.
I would have if I could have. If you really wanted to source it maybe "your" google fu is better then mine.
The lay out might be my doing as I cut different parts of it feeling some might find it interesting.
As to what I found interesting was that it attempts to tie a lot of concepts together that I can relate to,, "intention wave" a good way of expressing it.intention wave. An intention wave is the creation and propagation of Physiological wave under the guid-ance of the mind.
In this paper, using the concept of intention wave, we study the relationship and difference between the gas of breathing and the Qi in Taijiquan. We conclude that the gas of breathing is air; the Qi of Taijiquan ( tfRi.) is a wave; the air only gets into the lungs; Qi can travel to everywhere in a body. This paper study the functionalities for the force system and the Qi system in Taijiquan. We conclude that the force system is mainly for defense-offense. The Qi system is mainly for self-cultivation.
It would be true to say that 'true believers' in spooky nonsense can be scientists. If they dont have the tools to understand the influence of nonsense on their own mind, they will be convinced, and then come up with very elaborate ways to prove what they are convinced of. This is why studies need to be correctly formatted and have checks and balances in place to remove the biases of any individual.
I look forward to your answers to my questions.
thanks
windwalker wrote:An interesting demo, one that I feel illustrates wave theory and wave harmonics. When we talk of waves its important to understand what a wave is and why its a different way of transmitting energy” . . .
i thought I'd try starting the new yr with what to me is an interesting field of study,,something I've been working on for some time in my own work.
wayne hansen wrote:This is pure wave energy on several levels
1 wave goodby while I jump away
2 wave goodby to any credibility
3 wave goodby while I delete this post if you don't agree with me
Pure wave energy
Dr. Mark Kovacs wrote:So what is the “Kinetic Chain?”
The concept of the Kinetic Chain is pretty simple. When you hit a forehand, an “energy wave” is created when your feet push against the ground, and that energy wave travels up through your legs, into your body, into your shoulder and arm, through the racket and into the tennis ball…
As that wave travels from the ground to the racket, every muscle involved along the way adds energy to the wave, making it more powerful…
And as that wave travels into your arm and the racket. It causes the racket to massively accelerate.
If you do this right,you racket will easily be moving fast enough at contact to produce a consistent, reliable topspin drive, with power, depth, and accuracy.
everything wrote:Thanks, I found it interesting. When I've been pushed (never encountered jumping) in a "mysterious" way and in non-mysterious ways, it did feel a bit like a wave kind of force. Anyway, matter supposedly has wave-like properties, the same as light, according to this hypothesis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_wave
windwalker:
i thought I'd try starting the new yr with what to me is an interesting field of study,,something I've been working on for some time in my own work.
[/quote]Dr. Mark Kovacs wrote:So what is the “Kinetic Chain?”
The concept of the Kinetic Chain is pretty simple. When you hit a forehand, an “energy wave” is created when your feet push against the ground, and that energy wave travels up through your legs, into your body, into your shoulder and arm, through the racket and into the tennis ball…
As that wave travels from the ground to the racket, every muscle involved along the way adds energy to the wave, making it more powerful…
And as that wave travels into your arm and the racket. It causes the racket to massively accelerate.
If you do this right,you racket will easily be moving fast enough at contact to produce a consistent, reliable topspin drive, with power, depth, and accuracy.
windwalker wrote:As does talking about which I thought by presenting it in a different way might overcome. not
Excerpt from https://www.fybcourses.com/p/the-kinetic-forehand:Dr. Mark Kovacs wrote:So what is the “Kinetic Chain?”
The concept of the Kinetic Chain is pretty simple. When you hit a forehand, an “energy wave” is created when your feet push against the ground, and that energy wave travels up through your legs, into your body, into your shoulder and arm, through the racket and into the tennis ball…
As that wave travels from the ground to the racket, every muscle involved along the way adds energy to the wave, making it more powerful…
And as that wave travels into your arm and the racket. It causes the racket to massively accelerate.
If you do this right,you racket will easily be moving fast enough at contact to produce a consistent, reliable topspin drive, with power, depth, and accuracy.
marvin8 wrote:Even if you want us to assume it is not fake (?), the demo is still under etiquette rules. . . .
Biomechanically it may be the same, regardless of how you describe it/method used (e.g., intention, physiological).
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