Dmitri wrote:With religion, unless one is a true fanatic, there's always an underlying doubt, an inherent conflict with observable reality and the overwhelming objective evidence (pointing to what atheists/materialists "believe").
Conflict -> uncertainty -> anxiety.
No conflict -> confidence -> happiness.
Bao wrote: For a couple of hundred of years there was no uncertainty, everyone believed in God.
I don’t believe that religion is a problem if it makes people happy and if it is kept as something personal.
Dmitri wrote:Bao wrote: For a couple of hundred of years there was no uncertainty, everyone believed in God.
Everyone? Got a source?
Also, humans, if you count the "early" ones, have been around for a couple of hundreds of thousands of years... So to which blissful 200-year window from that period are you referring to?
Bao wrote:
What atheists say is that everything will eventually be gone and no memories or thought about no one will be left, so life is completely worthless. Life means suffering. so I have no idea why atheists keep on living when it's more logical to end ot all so you don't bring more pain to yourself and the world.
Steve James wrote:Kinda funny that so many people don't find their lives worthless, and want to keep living, isn't it? Then again, that's almost universal among all living things. Funerals, otoh, are another thing: i.e., religion.
Bao wrote:Now, don't believe that I belong to any kind of church or any of the big religions. I am neither religious or outspoken atheist. If there's an after life or not? Frankly, I don't care. But I am rather surprised that not more atheists commit suicide, but there might be some sort of logic in what you said about no conflict brings some sort of happiness. What atheists say is that everything will eventually be gone and no memories or thought about no one will be left, so life is completely worthless. Life means suffering. so I have no idea why atheists keep on living when it's more logical to end ot all so you don't bring more pain to yourself and the world. Most atheists believe for some reasons that it's wrong to take your own life. I would say that it has a lot do do with our cultural heritage that was once strongly religious. It still affect people in terms of ethics and moral thinking. But hopefully, this comes to an end and everyone commits suicide. If there's no God or no after life, it would surely be the best for everyone and for the earth itself. Everything will eventually be gone and everyone will be equally worthless (which is a comforting thought), so why drag out all of the suffering when you can just end it now? If you absolutely believe in nothing, it seems stupid to me.
Bao wrote:I have no idea why atheists keep on living when it's more logical to end ot all so you don't bring more pain to yourself and the world. Most atheists believe for some reasons that it's wrong to take your own life.
everyone will be equally worthless (which is a comforting thought)
, so why drag out all of the suffering when you can just end it now?
kenneth fish wrote:Give me immortality or give me death!
Without humans, there's no such thing as "value" or "meaning"; none whatsoever.
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