“ "Peng Jing is after long periods of sincere practice of Taijiquan and push hands, resulting in a type of sung (no tension) yet not sung, soft but carring in it hard, active but sunk and heavy, elastic and pliable type of jing, which includes sticking (nien), neutralising (hua), bouyant (fu), trapping (kun) usage type of jing, also called internal jing (neijing)". Also we have from myrid schools and students who hold "Taiji is peng jing, movement goes spiraling (luo xuan)" as the central maxim.”
"Normally, when we talk about peng( ward off)," Yang said, "we are not talking about the ward off in the the form .. the left ward off and right ward off. Peng is to intentionally let go and make the body loose so the body is connected. The inner feeling is that it is like there is a metal spring in the body. This is ward off"...
Bao wrote:Zhang Yijun in his book where he quotes his teacher Li Yaxuan:Peng Jing is ... also called internal jing (neijing).
Quoted from an interview with Yang Zhen Duo (son of Yang Cheng Fu) in T'ai Chi Magazine, vol 19. No. 5....
So for the old Yang masters at least, when they spoke about Pengjin, they didn’t mean a certain movement or a direction of force.
charles wrote:If memory serves me correctly, in that article he specifically makes a distinction between two different things called "Peng" or "Peng Jin". One is the "quality" of the body, the other is a movement. What you/Lim quoted takes it out of context of the rest of the article.
rojcewiczj wrote:When you do squats correctly, your legs have peng, when you do push ups correctly your arms have peng. Meaning, your limbs have strength and that strength remains elastic because of the correct orientation of the limbs towards the resistance. ...the emphasis placed on jibengong, on basic exercise to strengthen your strength, to develop your peng energy. Toss a heavy sand bag around in the air for a few years and then see if that doesn't give you a concrete experience of peng.
Steve James wrote:Yes. There is no reason that "it" can't be both noun and verb, or a description of a quality, an application, the application of a quality or the quality of the application.
Dmitri wrote:Don't you people forget: there was, and is, and probably will always/ever be, only one man in the Universe who does "real taiji", -- and he doesn't even "do taiji", at that! His name shall not be spoken here, because it's like saying "Voldemort"... Oops.
Steve James wrote:Yang style almost never mentions chansijin. Otoh, unlike peng, there's no chansi posture.
To get past these issues, some people started arguing that "neijin" was the basic thing. (Not 42 ).
amor wrote:Dmitri wrote:Don't you people forget: there was, and is, and probably will always/ever be, only one man in the Universe who does "real taiji", -- and he doesn't even "do taiji", at that! His name shall not be spoken here, because it's like saying "Voldemort"... Oops.
Isn't that the same man who said, quoting chen Fake, that Chansi jin is the one jin in which all jins are present, so why is everyone so fixated on peng jin
I have to sort of agree with this statement anyway and I think what charles mentioned in the link below thread is very apt to the discussion and Bao also alluded to this with his opening/closing statement some posts back, imo
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