klonk wrote:Another thing I do not recall seeing in CMA (but, once again, I could have missed what was there) is a short stick used to add the power of persuasion to a wrist hold. It is an important aspect of kubotan and very effective in the right situation.
edededed wrote:klonk wrote:Another thing I do not recall seeing in CMA (but, once again, I could have missed what was there) is a short stick used to add the power of persuasion to a wrist hold. It is an important aspect of kubotan and very effective in the right situation.
Are you referring to qinna with the short stick? CMA does definitely have these, although they are uncommonly seen.
wayne hansen wrote:The folded fan is also another pocket stick
klonk wrote:edededed wrote:klonk wrote:Another thing I do not recall seeing in CMA (but, once again, I could have missed what was there) is a short stick used to add the power of persuasion to a wrist hold. It is an important aspect of kubotan and very effective in the right situation.
Are you referring to qinna with the short stick? CMA does definitely have these, although they are uncommonly seen.
I do not know, ed^4. There is a confusion of terms here. Short stick may refer to several things. A kubotan or the like is shorter than the distance from your palm heel to your fingertip.
If we, instead, are talking about a stick perhaps as long as your forearm, or elbow to fingers, those quinna holds are not quite so uncommon as you say. Every cop in America knows the trick where the baton (police nightstick) is under the wrist and over the elbow. Some, perhaps, use it to excess.
I am talking about a stick perhaps six to six and half inches long. Its wrist holds are just bone pressure to produce pain and control the extremity.
wayne hansen wrote:Why would it not be
klonk wrote:The dorge, kongou, or lightning bolt certainly has some uses as a weapon in common with the kubotan, koppo, etc. The form factor, though, is significantly different. In its basic form the kubotan is no more than a bit of stick a little longer than your hand is wide.
edededed wrote:klonk wrote:Another thing I do not recall seeing in CMA (but, once again, I could have missed what was there) is a short stick used to add the power of persuasion to a wrist hold. It is an important aspect of kubotan and very effective in the right situation.
Are you referring to qinna with the short stick? CMA does definitely have these, although they are uncommonly seen.
edededed wrote:I thought that they looked quite different. (But I am no expert, maybe others have other experiences?)
The kubotan seems to use a lot of having two thumbs on the opposite side of the kubotan - strikes me as rather difficult to use effectively (are thumbs so strong?), but I guess that people have used it successfully in law enforcement before!
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