XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby suckinlhbf on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:51 am

John is brave enought to show us how he does the PI. Mostly appreciated. It is very rare can have somebody be able to do it without flaws. We all have rooms to improve. 1000 times a day for sure can get him better and better.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby edededed on Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:26 pm

Great video John! Also, you look like you haven't aged since the beginning of these discussion boards :D Thanks for sharing.

Xingyiquan is interesting to compare, because almost every lineage does it pretty much the same, with minor differences. (Much easier to compare than bagua, etc.)

I learned one version of piquan with the front leg stepping back a bit, too - the idea was to kind of pull/jar someone down before stepping into them with zuan and pi. In that sense it may be a bit similar to tanglang's gou, lou, cai, but the direction is different.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Strange on Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:30 pm

For those doing serious and focused practice:-

李洛能《形意拳谱》
http://www.zgxyq.com/news_detail.asp?id=281

Xing Yi Fist Manual, by Old Farmer Li
cheers! :)

劈拳讲义
劈拳性属金,是阴阳连环一气之起落也。气之一静,故形象太极;气之一动而生物,其名为横。横属土,土生万物,故内包四拳。按其五行循环之理,土生金,故先练劈拳,上下运用,有劈物之意,其形似斧,故名劈拳,所诸身内则为肺,劲顺则肺气和,劲谬则肺气乖。夫人以气为主,气和则体壮,气乖则体弱,故学者不可大意也。
上步初势曰:两手紧握,同变阴拳,左拳落出,肘顺胸前,高不过肩,力垂左肩;右手靠脐,肘至肋边,眼平舌卷,气降丹田。
换步歌:左足既开,右足大进,手足齐落,推挽两迅,左足斜跟,右足仍顺,指开心齐,后手肋近,手足与鼻,列成直阵。
转身歌:起势钻,落势翻,行如槐虫,起如挑担,若遇人多,三摇两旋,正是转身之谓也
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Wanderingdragon on Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:41 pm

Not much of a share if everyone can’t partake ;) ???
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby suckinlhbf on Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:53 pm



Hi John, my x times Pi.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Strange on Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:23 pm

learn chinese.
its too late in the game for spoon feeding
pardon me if i sound direct; just sayin what should have been done
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Wanderingdragon on Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:08 pm

No you don’t sound direct, just arrogant, elitist and exclusionary. As I said if you’re not willing to share it’s ok. You’re absolutely right if you don’t recognize quality art already you’re behind the curve.

https://youtu.be/k2ERXhBESBs


My absolute favorite though is this
https://youtu.be/8i_z7dbBjPA
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Strange on Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:48 pm

i do not mean any offense;
but please be my guest to take it however you will
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Overlord on Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:29 pm

行如槐蟲
Walk like a worm

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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Overlord on Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:14 am

WD,
There is no need to get personal.
I remember my good friend who is a dedicated pastor,
it took him more than six year to grasp Hebrew and Greek and before his completion
of his Bible college.
And BTW, the martial art literature is also written in analogy and jargon,
If you speak Chinese, you still won’t get it~ bit like Tibetan Buddhism jargon in Tibetan~
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby suckinlhbf on Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:43 am

The Xingyi Neigong Poem is the core for moves.

内功之传,脉络甚真。前任后督,行气滚滚。井池双穴,发劲循循。千变万化,不离其本;得其奥妙,方叹无垠。龟尾升气,丹田练神.气下于海,光聚天心。既明脉络,须观格式。
头正而起,肩平而顺,胸出而闭。足坚而稳,膝曲而伸;裆深而藏,肋开而张。气调而匀,劲松而紧。先吸后呼,一出一入;先提后下,一升一伏;内有丹田,气之归宿。下收谷道,上提玉楼;或立或坐,吸气于喉;以意送下,渐沉至底。升有升路,胁骨齐举;降有降所,俞口气路。

The meanings behind the words are opened for interpretation. I likes the 1000 times practicing as many issues will come up so go back to the old literature for indication. And the process goes on and on. Perception on the same words changes with the practicing. It is the fun part. Knowing chinese, the mind could stick to its own interception. I find it works better to let the body tell from ongoing practice. But it is hard to find out the pain from body parts is from improper doing or more training needed.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:32 am

If learning Chinese helped there would be billions who got instead of a handful
I could have devoted all my spare time to learning Chinese or practicing my art
I chose the latter
Most western practicioner that have I met who speak Chinese are usually the furtherest away from the prize
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Wanderingdragon on Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:40 am

What he said^^

Arrogance is a rudeness, and suggests exclusion. Anyone who studies these arts with any serious intent has done the research, and what is written is redundant if you have done the work, it is merely the understanding offered by one who has done the work, you will come to it with or without these words. I have found that what the masters have written is only understanding and meaningful to me after I have come to this juncture on my own. IMO, all who study seriously have a journal if not we tout the words of others with know founding background.


Move forward, move backward
Move backward , move forward
One step east, follow one step east
Hold softly, a hairsbreath, to know the direction
This path is clear if followed from the core


Use your words as I’ve always told my sons.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Wanderingdragon on Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:11 am

The point . is absolute
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Strange on Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:07 pm

wayne hansen wrote:If learning Chinese helped there would be billions who got instead of a handful
I could have devoted all my spare time to learning Chinese or practicing my art
I chose the latter
Most western practicioner that have I met who speak Chinese are usually the furtherest away from the prize


actually, if a lot of ppl are doing the wrong thing; it does not make it right.
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