Formosa Neijia wrote:This is completely doomed to failure right from the start. Look at Jason Delucia. A 5-animal kungfu guy who fought and lost in the early UFCs to Royce Gracie. He went on to fight Pancrasse in Japan and racked up an impressive fight record. He eventually come out with his version of "combat aikido" that blended aikido with MMA inclduing sparring. I swear, his videos are straight-up fighting baguazhang if anything on video is. I highly recommending downloading this series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR43VgkT_GI
Thing is, he was completely dismissed by the aikido community who only wanted to know two things: what his belt rank was and who his "master" was. They cared absolutely nothing about his fight record or his skills. In fact, those seemed to be a huge negative in that community. Epicly pathetic.
The MMA crowd completely dismissed him as a "loser" because he lost to Royce twice, as if losing to one of the best in the world at that time made you a loser. So Jason's efforts went absolutely no where, just where this guy's efforts in these new clips is likely to go.
Traditional arts are just dead. They have and will continue to refuse every effort to change because they are incapable of change. The traditional power structure of arts like aikido and taichi insulate themselves from the disaster of their obvious flaws. This makes the efforts of reformers like Delucia a complete waste of time. Better to just do something new and go off on your own.
OfficialBasRutten on Sep 1, 2014 wrote:
This video is Fight #22 vs. Jason Delucia from Bas Rutten's MMA Career DVD previously only available for purchase.
As a professional fighter, one of his favorite tactics was the liver shot (both punch and kick), and he popularized its use in MMA.Rutten is known for his charisma and has capitalized on his celebrity status since retiring from fighting in 1999. He workes as a color commentator in MMA organization WSOF, and every Friday at IMMA at AX.tv , he has appeared in numerous television shows, movies, and video games. He also coaches MMA and has authored several instructional materials:
wayne hansen wrote:If he is a brown belt like it says why is he wearing a black belt
marvin8 wrote:I watched Jason's "combat aikido" series and some of his fights. I did not see Jason use any of the moves, he demonstrated in his videos, in his fights.
Formosa Neijia wrote:marvin8 wrote:I watched Jason's "combat aikido" series and some of his fights. I did not see Jason use any of the moves, he demonstrated in his videos, in his fights.
Delucia's style evolved over the years. He started in arts like five animal kungfu and then fought the Gracies in the early 90's. He then started competing in Japan in Pancrase. The aikido series didn't come out until the mid-2000's. I followed it at the time and Delucia clearly was aiming it at the aikido community by trying to show them how to combine what they were doing with his MMA experience. Delucia had stopped competing for years by the time the videos came out.
His fight against Bas that you posted was their rematch I think. Bas was of course highly skilled and they hated each other so I wouldn't look at this or any specific fight to see proof of Delucia's combat aikido, especially since he developed that later for the aikido crowd.
More interesting to me was the response of the entire aikido community. Several people said they wouldn't even watch the Youtube clips unless Delucia stated his belt rank and master's name. A guy with 50+ fights who had fought Royce twice in the ring meant absolutely nothing to them compared to whatever dan rank they considered important and his lack of a huge belly flopping over that belt also likely didn't sit well with them.
wayne hansen wrote:He talks about the lack of reality in aikido attacks then he has to step in to reach his opponents jabs
He should either do it in real sparring or at least the jabs should reach his face without him moving in
If he is a brown belt like it says why is he wearing a black belt
Subitai wrote:UUUGGGHH....Style vs style Is this the 90's again?
Knowing your enemy or at least some basic understanding is important. Essentially it wasn't even remotely fair, it's as if he just got his basic drivers license and then thinks he's going to race Nascar on and REAL TRACK.
*Nobody does that, not without preparation. I could help this guy in one day if he were at my school. How could he hope to enter the MMA ring unless he prepared a bit with someone who has actually fought in there?
Subitai wrote:It's not the fault of Aikido...it's not about which style is better. After all MMA just means Mixed Martial Arts...and often times that is a mixture of Traditional Martial Arts skills as well.
Plenty of MMA fighters who know how to set up stuff that is considered more "Traditional". So style is not the issue...the individual's experience, toughness, heart and YES, AS WE'RE ALWAYS SAYING...THE SET UP.
Not that I need to hear him say it (cause it was obvious) but whence he said "it was his 1st time in the ring" that pretty much says it all.
Subitai wrote:More importantly, he went into the ring UN familiar with boxing...which is universally THE MODERN BASE you need to understand if you want to fight.
More over, IMO...if he really wanted to test his style up to what he had been learning (which doesn't train for the ring) more accurately as an experiment. HE should do LIVE Self Defense senarios 1st. He could get a LIVE Opponent to attempt to run up to him and steal his brief case. Fight off a guy, pretending to be a kidnapper trying to pull you into a van. (I know it sounds silly) Get 3 or more guys to be like the gypsies who all jump on you at once to pin you down and try to steal your wallet.
marvin8 wrote:Yes, I realized that after I posted. I believe he is teaching an art called Hybrid Fighting, now. I saw some competition videos, but don't know if those are his students.
If you're talking about the aikido community, I didn't realize aikido was so political. I am only interested in the end product, aikido and five animal kungfu working in a real fight.
marvin8 wrote:One of the Aikido techniques that we tried to make effective is called Irimi Nage. It is an entering Aikido technique, yet while it works in theory we realized it is a failed Aikido technique as far as real application goes, specially against a trained fighter. . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtu4EQPlzEY
middleway wrote:I like this guy. He is being honest with himself which is a great first step.
RobP3 wrote:marvin8 wrote:One of the Aikido techniques that we tried to make effective is called Irimi Nage. It is an entering Aikido technique, yet while it works in theory we realized it is a failed Aikido technique as far as real application goes, specially against a trained fighter. . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtu4EQPlzEY
Hmm. That's not how I'd set it up and it would work better if he led with the other foot. This "testing technique" approach is ok but...there are a lot of buts
middleway wrote:I like this guy. He is being honest with himself which is a great first step.
RobP3 wrote:middleway wrote:I like this guy. He is being honest with himself which is a great first step.
I agree. But for the "testing technique" approach, it's better if your partner doesn't know in advance which technique you will be testing
Marius wrote:So, today we tried it with another person that was completely unaware of technique at all. He was a friend of mine. And, he did train a little bit of muay thai for a few years. Distance was something he (friend) was aware of. He wasn’t putting too much bodyweight behind his punches (balanced, not overextended). He was more technical than the average person.
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