GrahamB wrote:I just posted a picture of genuine scroll from 168BC showing images of people doing movements that are clearly in the baduanjin... So, who should I believe - you or my lying eyes?
Subitai wrote:Everything I said (earlier Post)about 1500 yrs of Shaolin history and the traditions handed down by many schools throughout Asia is common beliefs in many lineages.
Subitai wrote:I find the comments about the lack of written evidence on Shaolin laughable. Shaolin was burned down a few times!!!!!!! In fact just about every regime change had something to do with burning the predecessors out.
Everything I said (earlier Post)about 1500 yrs of Shaolin history and the traditions handed down by many schools throughout Asia is common beliefs in many lineages.
GrahamB wrote:For example, what we call "Yoga" in Europe and America was actually 1920s European gymnastics exported to India, washed through an Indian cultural filter and sent back to us. I'm pretty sure it's fake in that sense, but it seems to fulfill a need.
Bao wrote:BTW, they didn’t even know exactly where the Shaolin temple had been located when they re-builded it. Everything there is new, a reconstruction made out of an equal amount of myth and facts.
zrm wrote:GrahamB wrote:For example, what we call "Yoga" in Europe and America was actually 1920s European gymnastics exported to India, washed through an Indian cultural filter and sent back to us. I'm pretty sure it's fake in that sense, but it seems to fulfill a need.
Huh. So you're inferring that what Iyengar teaching in the 1930s was partly of European origin?
Or was this just a passing reference to some of the modern crap that is taught today?
The pale winter sunlight shone from the high windows of the Cambridge University library onto a dark leather book cover. In the hall full of silent scholars, I opened it and leafed through picture after picture of men and women in familiar postures. Here was Warrior Pose; there was Downward Dog. On this page the standing balance Utthita Padangusthasana; on the next pages Headstand, Handstand, Supta Virasana, and more—everything you might expect to find in a manual of yoga asana. But this was no yoga book. It was a text describing an early 20th-century Danish system of dynamic exercise called Primitive Gymnastics. Standing in front of my yoga students that evening, I reflected on my discovery. What did it mean that many of the poses I was teaching were identical to those developed by a Scandinavian gymnastics teacher less than a century ago? This gymnast had not been to India and had never received any teaching in asana. And yet his system, with its five-count format, its abdominal "locks," and its dynamic jumps in and out of those oh-so-familiar postures, looked uncannily like the vinyasa yoga system I knew so well.
GrahamB wrote:zrm wrote:GrahamB wrote:For example, what we call "Yoga" in Europe and America was actually 1920s European gymnastics exported to India, washed through an Indian cultural filter and sent back to us. I'm pretty sure it's fake in that sense, but it seems to fulfill a need.
Huh. So you're inferring that what Iyengar teaching in the 1930s was partly of European origin?
Or was this just a passing reference to some of the modern crap that is taught today?
It's actually quite easy to find this material - just do a google search for "gymnastics yoga origin".
The first article you'll find is this one:
https://www.yogajournal.com/yoga-101/yo ... ater-truth
"The Ancient & Modern Roots of Yoga
One scholar's quest to trace his practice back to its source ultimately gives him a glimpse of yoga's greater truth."
I think it's pretty common knowledge to anyone who does a bit of research. It goes back to a Danish guy called Niels Bukh.The pale winter sunlight shone from the high windows of the Cambridge University library onto a dark leather book cover. In the hall full of silent scholars, I opened it and leafed through picture after picture of men and women in familiar postures. Here was Warrior Pose; there was Downward Dog. On this page the standing balance Utthita Padangusthasana; on the next pages Headstand, Handstand, Supta Virasana, and more—everything you might expect to find in a manual of yoga asana. But this was no yoga book. It was a text describing an early 20th-century Danish system of dynamic exercise called Primitive Gymnastics. Standing in front of my yoga students that evening, I reflected on my discovery. What did it mean that many of the poses I was teaching were identical to those developed by a Scandinavian gymnastics teacher less than a century ago? This gymnast had not been to India and had never received any teaching in asana. And yet his system, with its five-count format, its abdominal "locks," and its dynamic jumps in and out of those oh-so-familiar postures, looked uncannily like the vinyasa yoga system I knew so well.
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