voidisyinyang wrote:Hi Trick.
Honestly I don't know what to believe when it comes to all this stuff that Voidisyinyang is talking about.
"Everyone" and I mean "Everyone" gets Zero Credit from me and then we work from there. So as you can see, I don't believe anything that people say just because they said so.
Sounds like pure delusion. Who knows?
Franklin wrote:reading through some of the replies...
my opinion is a lot of people seem to be confusing physical manipulation of the structure
which is good for developing power (in a useful martial sense)
for the MCO...
I also learned to just sit and focus on the breath and lower dan tien
until you fall into a sort of emptiness- no thoughts, no breathing, etc..
and from this emptiness- the real energy will arise
and that this is the real MCO
(when it starts to happen spontaneously...)
I recommend that people interested in the MCO
read the book that I recommended at the start of the thread...
the body goes through physical changes as the energy start to flow and open up the channels
the book i recommended is the best written work that I have see so far (and I have read a lot)
that accurately describes -- what I experienced
and I wish I would have had it as a reference when I was going through those changes...
(looking back and reading that book -- helped me to get a clearer picture of what had happened)
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I have seen a lot of people practice the imagination way of the MCO
and not achieve anything
-- of course they can talk for hours about what they have achieved...
they sort of get stuck in the imagination part of it...
I think the imagination and Yi part of energy training
starts to come into play once the orbits are already opened by emptiness
then after they are opened--
then you can use imagination/Yi to direct and move stuff....
and I think some people make the training way too complicated..
taosim / energy training is simple
its patterned after nature...
you can not direct it...
it is a natural process that unfolds by itself
and sitting in emptiness is what allows that to happen..
willie wrote:
Hi Franklin
I feel that the term emptiness is over used and over rated, everyone needs to breath, But you are correct. M.C.O. is usually a still meditation.
It is just getting in tune with whats going on inside in body.
Although, I feel that the forms will bring someone to the same place.
Thanks
Franklin wrote:willie wrote:
Hi Franklin
I feel that the term emptiness is over used and over rated, everyone needs to breath, But you are correct. M.C.O. is usually a still meditation.
It is just getting in tune with whats going on inside in body.
Although, I feel that the forms will bring someone to the same place.
Thanks
its not just getting in tune with your body
in a sort of mindfulness way in which many people talk about that sort of thing..
and yes -- the training is easier to get to while seated
but you can do it through movement
or by standing still...
and its not a dead emptiness that you seek..
most system start with a way to focus the mind
be it feeling the breath, counting the breath, visualizing something (simple or complex like the tibetan stuff)
but this is just a tool to quiet the mind...
once the mind is quiet, then you can fall deeper and deeper into this
until it becomes a sort of emptiness...
(this is where you stop becoming aware of the breathing, sounds, external things-- but the inside is also empty..)
from this emptiness -- the real energy arises...
and it starts to clear out the channels..
which can take different lengths of time depending on how many blockages and old diseases there are...
this is where some type of moving practice would have been helpful to prepare the body...
otherwise it can be painful...
anyways.. the body goes through different levels of changes... as this is happening
the physical and energy body is in a sense transformed...
these first stages are laid out fairly well in the book I recommended...
in my experience- you need to go through these changes for the orbits to be open...
then after that -- practice becomes less physical in nature..
and deals more with the mind and consciousness...
taoism seems to have laid out the physical changes fairly well
and then the stages past that seem to be more thoroughly laid out in buddhist texts..
movement type practice can bring this sort of cultivation about
but it seems to be harder for people to get it..
a lot of people can not even get past the basic alignment stages in taiji practice
let alone relax and use the power from the ground...
I think something simpler is better for the energy stuff...
TaiChi ruler is really good..
but you need to find someone to show the full system...
just the beginning stages can be 2-3 or more hours of practice a day..
and the full system goes into martial application of the movements and energy...
good luck in your training...
Franklin
Feng Shui Qigong
This method helps improve qi in the inner landscape of the body. The ocean-wave-like mantra and image of wind and water enable you to open the Ren (front) and Du (back) channels and help Qi to circulate along the microcosmic orbit. Benefits include:
• Reduces stress
• Improves the function of the internal organs
• Cleanses and balances the body
voidisyinyang wrote:
Franklin did you train from Master Nan, Huai-jin directly?
Bill Bodri's book "Measuring Meditation" with Master Nan is also excellent.
Master Nan's books are out of print but online free -
Working Toward Enlightenment
Realizing Enlightenment
Tao and Longevity
willie wrote:If some of you have noticed, most of these Masters who are teaching others in internal Arts are getting beat up by people with very little skill. That should raise a big red flag because, These are the same people writing books and teaching meditation...
So rather then just getting beat up, now they sell insanity as well, LOL!
Honestly, in my opinion I would not recommend for anyone to mess around with all that stuff. Just stay simple and live a happy life...
Trick wrote:willie wrote:If some of you have noticed, most of these Masters who are teaching others in internal Arts are getting beat up by people with very little skill. That should raise a big red flag because, These are the same people writing books and teaching meditation...
So rather then just getting beat up, now they sell insanity as well, LOL!
Honestly, in my opinion I would not recommend for anyone to mess around with all that stuff. Just stay simple and live a happy life...
Even if they getting beat up they are immortals and not really get hurt
Appledog wrote:everything voidisyinyang said is correct
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