klonk wrote:An unstated factor in all this is the ongoing, grinding poverty of North Korea, which will not be brought up in these negotiations. If Kim increases face by joining the rest of the world, and as an implicit side effect, there is more rice and cabbage to go around, I will not begrudge Kim the added face. It might also occur to you to let Trump have some. Face, I mean. He looks like he gets enough rice.
The baseline truth is participation in free markets is where money comes from, any controlled economy becomes in time another word for no rice, and the process of realization needs sometimes to be sprayed over with the perfume of kindly words.
Follow the money.
grzegorz wrote:Just now, Kim is accusing the US of provoking North Korea.
Just a reminder that we are not out of the woods yet.
If Trump doesn't deliver will his base blame him?
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:I have zero clue how anyone could claim that North Korea's poverty has not been brought up as sanctions are central to the negotiations.
North Korea was long in better shape than the South and made a far more rapid recovery after the Korean War. Not mentioned they where bombed pretty badly during the war
""Every installation, facility, and village in North Korea now becomes a military and tactical target." Stratemeyer sent orders to the Fifth Air Force and Bomber Command to "destroy every means of communications and every installation, factory, city, and village."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_o ... _1950-1953
The collapse of trade after 1989 and sanctions were the main causes of the grinding poverty, despite what capitalist ideologues like to claim.
Honestly ask yourselves, why is North Korea so poor? It's not why some of you seem to assume.
windwalker wrote:Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:I have zero clue how anyone could claim that North Korea's poverty has not been brought up as sanctions are central to the negotiations.
North Korea was long in better shape than the South and made a far more rapid recovery after the Korean War. Not mentioned they where bombed pretty badly during the war
""Every installation, facility, and village in North Korea now becomes a military and tactical target." Stratemeyer sent orders to the Fifth Air Force and Bomber Command to "destroy every means of communications and every installation, factory, city, and village."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_o ... _1950-1953
The collapse of trade after 1989 and sanctions were the main causes of the grinding poverty, despite what capitalist ideologues like to claim.
Honestly ask yourselves, why is North Korea so poor? It's not why some of you seem to assume.
The war was brutal for both sides, with the south being helped to recover from it. Something not allowed in the north.
There is a word they use to express some of feeling of this " han"
Han (한), a Korean Cultural Trait
Han–a Korean feeling of sorrow, oppression, unavenged injustice, and isolation–is hard to truly explain. There really isn’t an American equivalent; and given the difference in our countries histories that’s not really surprising. But han is something just about every Korean knows and understands."
My n-mantis teacher was from the north.
"During the Korean war he along with most other young men from his home town were recruited to fight for the south as guerilla fighters not actually associated with the formal army. After the war he was able to relocate to the south and has not seen his family since then.
Shifu Park Chil Sung worked for some time after the war for the South Korean equivalent of the American CIA, training in hand to hand combat."
http://www.oocities.org/mantiscave/parkchil.htm
Lots of families had very recent memories from the war....on both sides...
its time for them
Trick wrote:grzegorz wrote:Just now, Kim is accusing the US of provoking North Korea.
Just a reminder that we are not out of the woods yet.
If Trump doesn't deliver will his base blame him?
Yes it's a tiresome game isn't it. Just read the headlines, before I accuse the media of just throwing their usually provoking stuff around I should probably read up on it
More than likely he will pull the US out of the Iran deal because of his grudge against Obama.
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