windwalker wrote:Steve James wrote:
Absolutely good news. (Even if not a precondition). Pompeo meeting with Kim is invaluable. Pompeo's smart and will learn a lot about how Kim thinks. He'll know whether Kim is really a loonytoon or whether that was a caricature --and Dennis Rodman was right.
Seems like it was, I can't v see the president having a meeting while they still retained the captives.
Their release was made a precondition by Pompeo, according to the clip.
I know you won't watch it, outlines how it was precondition prior to the meeting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl8qUH7_mq8
"grzegorz"
If your son was kidnapped for no reason and the kidnappers set them free would anyone thank the kidnappers the way president propecea did?
Kim Dong-chul, a former Virginia resident in his mid-60s, was detained in October 2015. He had been living in the Chinese city of Yanji, near the border with North Korea, since 2001 and working in a special economic zone in the North as head of a hotel services company.
He was put through a sham trial, during which he made a tearful confession that had all the hallmarks of having been written for him. In April 2016, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison on charges of espionage and subversion.State media reported that Kim had been arrested for “committing criminal acts of hostility aimed to overturn” North Korea and that a “detailed investigation into his crimes” was taking place.
Only two weeks later, another man affiliated with PUST, an agricultural consultant named Kim Hak-song, was detained on suspicion of “hostile acts,” according to North Korea’s state media. He is believed to have been born in China, near the border with North Korea, but to have immigrated to the United States in the 1990s before returning to the Yanji area.
“We want to thank [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Un, who really was excellent to these three incredible people,” Trump said at Joint Base Andrews outside Washington.
"Our president said to [Chinese President] Xi, 'Do you know anything about these knuckleheads that got caught allegedly stealing?'" John Kelly told the New York Times.
"The president was saying, 'It's not too serious. We'd love to see this taken care of in an expeditious way.'"
The discussion between the two world leaders occurred on the sidelines of an economic summit in Vietnam on Sunday.
U.S. Presidents have often struggled with the challenge of when to trade favor or treasure for Americans captured abroad. Trump says he will deal forcefully with foreign adversaries. “We are aggressively pursuing the release of our people.
We will leave no lawful tool, partnership or recovery option off the table,” Trump tells TIME. “I am always tough on countries or terrorist groups that hold our people hostage or detain them on fake charges and keep them captive in hellish locations far from their family and loved ones.”
Trick wrote:In today's Swedish news it says US will make big investments on infrastructure and agriculture in NK if Kim follows through with the deconstruction of their nuclear weapon program
"We Koreans were born from the womb of Han and brought up in the womb of Han."
windwalker wrote:Trick wrote:In today's Swedish news it says US will make big investments on infrastructure and agriculture in NK if Kim follows through with the deconstruction of their nuclear weapon program
I would expect there to be some carrots as they say along with the sticks.
Its time, maybe Kim will turn out to be a transformational leader for himself and his people.
His people regardless of whats been said about him, also need to see and understand this as being presented in
such a way that its through strength in this case one could say resolve and endurance....each side will have its story to tell.
Regardless of his motives, things seem to be moving in the right direction. Haven't been to Korea in a long time
my daughter's keep in touch with their relatives there. The younger people may be able to move on with it, while the
the older ones are still trapped by memoirs of the war....
It does seem positive hope it continues to be so. The president has made it pretty clear that nothing is for sure. I would expect that
there would be no meeting with out some very explicit actions taken prior to it.. So far it looks like NK is taking the correct actions.
Spent some time in Korea as young person in the military and later working there, guess I still have some history
in my mind floating around. Very hard working people,,,,very hard headed ."We Koreans were born from the womb of Han and brought up in the womb of Han."
Trick wrote:In today's Swedish news it says US will make big investments on infrastructure and agriculture in NK if Kim follows through with the deconstruction of their nuclear weapon program
Carrier, the company President Trump pledged to keep on American soil, informed the state of Indiana this week that it will soon begin cutting 632 workers from an Indianapolis factory. The manufacturing jobs will move to Monterrey, Mexico, where the minimum wage is $3.90 per day.
That was never supposed to happen, according to Trump's campaign promises. He told Indiana residents at a rally last year there was a "100 percent chance” he would save the jobs at the heating and air-conditioning manufacturer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 184dd28ebe
windwalker wrote:The timing was set by the bill itself not something that could be changed.
As to the decision.“In explaining his no-vote, Schumer said, “It is because I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power.”
“Better to keep U.S. sanctions in place, strengthen them, enforce secondary sanctions on other nations, and pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be. For all of these reasons,
I believe the vote to disapprove is the right one.”
I agree with his line of reasoning
some highlights of why some felt the deal was flawedIran has continued to test ballistic missiles and has warned it won’t allow inspections of military sites — highlighting ambiguities in the agreement.
https://nypost.com/2017/09/15/iran-deal ... ing-flaws/“when key nuclear restrictions of the JCPOA expire, Iran will be free to build up its nuclear capabilities, especially its enrichment capacity, and drastically reduce the time it would need to produce enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon.”
Sounds very similar to what happend with N-Korea.
They achieved their goal and became a threat to the US.
Between 2025 and 2030, the agreement to limit Iran’s stocks of low-enriched uranium and the number of centrifuge cascades it can operate will expire, allowing Iran to erect an industrial-scale nuclear program if it chooses.
Apparently there was no way to restructure the agreement in its present form.
Iran has 90 days before the the full effect of the sanctions are re instated.
Hopefully before that time, some resolution will be found addressing the concerns of all parties.
The crux of the matter“There is no need to force a crisis over it at this very moment — as Trump and some deal opponents seem inclined to do — given that elements of the JCPOA don’t begin to sunset until 2026-2031,” he wrote. He added that any negotiations to further restrict Iran ought to include “possible positive inducements” for Iran. The same type of thinking that allowed N-Korea to attain its goal now being dealt with
Perhaps. But Iran negotiated the current deal only after the US imposed and enforced sanctions that cut its banking system off from the international economy and cut off its ability to export oil. Those so-called secondary sanctions crippled Iran’s economy, because they applied not only to Iran but also to any foreign entities that did business with it. Why the other players will not be able to play, "any foreign entities" all those in favor of keeping the agreement was only possible with the consent of the US,. Something when the sanctions are re applied they will not be able to do....maybe never know ...
What’s to say the threat of bringing back those sanctions won’t persuade America’s European allies to try to fix the nuclear deal’s flaws?
It worked before.
No longer a threat a reality
Remains to be seen whether it will work again.
Within 90 days we should know....
grzegorz wrote:
If you took off your President Propecea hat you would realize that Kim will remain in power. It is not Trump's decision. Is anything? It was Moon's campaign promise and his platform. Peace with North Korea and for Kim to remain in power. He was the first to South President to take this stance instead of puffing out his chest and pretending to be a bad ass as as President Bone Spurs and yet blinded the red states voters into believing him in the biggest con job in US history.
Peace between North and South Korea and the complete disarmament of Kim's nukes by 2020: President Moon Jae-in sets out plans for treaty
By Joe Sheppard For Mailonline04:02 EDT 20 Jul 2017, updated 07:13 EDT 20 Jul 2017
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Korea.html
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