C.J.W. wrote:I like what this Australian teacher is showing here -- and his clips in general -- a lot. This is the sort of innovative thinking Taiji people need if they wish to apply Taiji in the ring, rather than training Sanda on the side and breaking it out when push comes to shoves like some of the Chenjiagou guys are doing
windwalker wrote:Had a couple of students who boxed. Their interest in Taiji was in a taiji approach to help them deal with clinches and clinching.
Its not a matter of "bad" movement. It is a matter of bad habits that will tend to get one knocked out if used with anyone of skill.
If its about principles and body mechanics can you point to a specific skill that no other art has that taiji would teach.
My point being that "taiji" is tied to the family styles that are commonly viewed and recognized as taiji.
Unless there is a very unique skill set that only "taiji" can teach or develop I see no sense in the association with taiji.
Trick wrote:So yours secret Taiji stepping would not be enough......Of course there are a lot of similarities on how to generate power and other things between the boxing arts
C.J.W. wrote:
Sounds like you are a Taiji purist who considers this type of work sacrilegious.
It would be more fair to say I am a CMA purist.
Why is it that a boxer looks like a boxer, TKD looks like TKD ect when used but "taiji" can look like anything that one chooses to label it with.
Some one, like in the clip having a taiji back ground attempts to demo something leading with the head,,, This comes from IME not having to use it against people of skill..I notice this with people who practice push hands a lot....
The reason why its not good is very apparent why when one engages with some one of skill....not good for the head when it meets fist as JW might say.
My approach to IMA is to not be bound by style, outward appearance, and technique, but to focus on the specific mechanisms that each system uses to generate power, mobility, and stability -- and to look for common denominators that tie them together as well as subtle differences.
My experience maybe a little different, with the caveat that it depends on the depth of ones practice. IME at what some might call the higher levels of usage they can be very different. So much so that some on practicing in a style may not be able to be trained in anything else. Many teachers I know wont take a student because of this.
For instance, when simultaneous deflecting and countering a common haymaker using what "looks like" a Karate upper block, I can actually think of at least 4 ways of doing it using body mechanics from Wing Chun, Xingyi, White Crane, and Bagua. In the eye of a layman, they will all appear almost identical on the outside, but on the inside, they are all distinctly different. One may feel what they do is different, IME for many who feel so, actually what they do use and use tends to be what ever is really ingrained in them...So while someone might say they'er doing x,y, or z actually its really only z.
The idea is that if you simply focus on outward appearances, you will never be able to move beyond what's on the surface, which is often very deceiving.
Kind of surprised you would say this. How something is done whether outside or inside both influence each other depending on level of development. It is said from outside to inside, from inside to outside, We call it flavor...a karate person may say they know taiji but still have a karate flavor to it. People on this site talk about it all the time.
My question to you is, if you don't feel that Taiji is about principles and body mechanics, how do you look at it? How do you explain the fact that there are so many styles of Taiji out there (Yang, Wu, Chen, Sun, and Hao, etc.) that look so different on the outside in terms of movements and yet can all be regarded as Taiji?
Tiga Pukul wrote: It's hard to believe that it's called 'grand ultimate fist' but looks like 'grand ultimate push'
C.J.W. wrote:I like what this Australian teacher is showing here -- and his clips in general -- a lot. This is the sort of innovative thinking Taiji people need if they wish to apply Taiji in the ring, rather than training Sanda on the side and breaking it out when push comes to shoves like some of the Chenjiagou guys are doing.
C.J.W. wrote:if you know what you are doing, a push can be turned into a vicious knock-out strike with speed and allowing the shoulders, elbows, and wrists to accelerate to decrease contact time with the target.
The path in which the "jin" travels is the same.
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