C.J.W. wrote:The side discussion I brought up in the Yang Taiji thread appears to have caused a bit of a stir, so I thought I'd start a new one and state my position on the issue of avoiding double-heaviness more clearly. This, IMO, not only applies to Taiji, but all IMA styles in general.
Avoiding double-heaviness is about maintaining Yin and Yang balance while in motion.
Yin represents subtle yielding actions and stillness,
Yang represents overt attacking actions and movement.
Balanced movements are usually achieved in two ways:
1. When one part moves (Yang), another stays still (Yin).
2. When one part moves (Yang), another moves in the opposite direction (Yin).
People who are untrained or trained in non-IMA styles will almost always unconsciously move in the following ways that are considered double-heavy:
1. When one part moves (Yang), another also moves (Yang) -- double-heavy on the Yang side.
2. When one part stays still or yields (Yin), another also stays still or yields (Yin) -- double-heavy on the Yin side.
C.J.W :
Frankly, I must say I am quite shocked to hear you say this.
johnwang wrote:If you move in your leg, wait for your balance to be secured, you then apply your attacking, it will be much safer and there is no argument on that. The trade off is, when you are
- not ready, your opponent is also not ready.
- ready, your opponent is also ready.
Sometime when you are 70% ready and your opponent is only 50% ready, you should take that risk.
windwalker wrote:
Using what you've posted it wont be possible to do what is demoed with out the understanding he explains. It also makes it hard for some to understand the demos because of their present out look. IME most people who are good at usage ie "fighting" can do or do do, a lot of what is shown in unconsciously
The use of li or strength directly comes from being double weighted which is not a bad thing...some cultivate this aspect and make themselves into little bulls or tanks... a contest of strength which if answered with strength will depend on who's stronger....
For arts like taiji, the emphasis is on change, and balance that has yet to be seen in use
in a live environment successfully using taiji. Kinda sad but in some ways understandably,
different times
Standing like a scale, move like a wheel. If you drop one side, you can move, but if you have equal pressure on both sides, you will be stuck. We often see one who has practiced hard for many years yet is unable to perform any neutralizations and is generally under the opponent’s control, and the issue here is that this error of double pressure has not yet been understood. [Paul Brennan’s translation of the TJQ classic attributed to Wang Zhongyue]
thepoeticedda wrote:A lot of those Practical Method videos show this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6w6aKET9Ho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skgEbjTaHrk
Both of these are good examples of double weighted vs single weighted when talking about upper and lower half of the body. In both of these, the bad version is trying to push everything forward at the same time and the good version are variations of keeping the hands still/pulling/yin while moving the legs in then keeping the feet still as you do the push
thepoeticedda wrote:A lot of those Practical Method videos show this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6w6aKET9Ho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skgEbjTaHrk
Both of these are good examples of double weighted vs single weighted when talking about upper and lower half of the body. In both of these, the bad version is trying to push everything forward at the same time and the good version are variations of keeping the hands still/pulling/yin while moving the legs in then keeping the feet still as you do the push
thepoeticedda wrote:A lot of those Practical Method videos show this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6w6aKET9Ho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skgEbjTaHrk
Both of these are good examples of double weighted vs single weighted when talking about upper and lower half of the body. In both of these, the bad version is trying to push everything forward at the same time and the good version are variations of keeping the hands still/pulling/yin while moving the legs in then keeping the feet still as you do the push
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