Trick wrote:Practiced diligently ones core muscles are developed while shoulders and arms stay relaxed all in a union. One develop whole body power generation relatively quick and effective for combat, it not only comes out in the big swinging long arm techniques but also in short and even subtle striking, and as you say those arm swing exercises can and will work in union with sword or rather sabre practice......(Now I understand that Aikido might be an MA you not think very highly about. But just to take an example Aikido is an MA where it’s unarmed and armed(Japanese sword/bokken) practice can be seen as one and the same)........Yes I agree in practice those basic arm swings will be a good aid to ones sword practice and vice versa
yeniseri wrote:Trick wrote:Practiced diligently ones core muscles are developed while shoulders and arms stay relaxed all in a union. One develop whole body power generation relatively quick and effective for combat, it not only comes out in the big swinging long arm techniques but also in short and even subtle striking, and as you say those arm swing exercises can and will work in union with sword or rather sabre practice......(Now I understand that Aikido might be an MA you not think very highly about. But just to take an example Aikido is an MA where it’s unarmed and armed(Japanese sword/bokken) practice can be seen as one and the same)........Yes I agree in practice those basic arm swings will be a good aid to ones sword practice and vice versa
A truth but it is interesting that Thai boxers will always come out ahead of CMA because their training is brutal and they do the conditioning routines that wrestlers, boxers and contact sports do. CMA practitioners tend to imagine that all soft, arm swinging tongbei (tongbei as absolute conditioning ) etc is all that is needed but liuhebafa is missing from much of what is CMA today hence the dismal outcomes in full contact.
Even shuaijiao (yes, I have bias on this) conditioning with practice and partner training can elevate the martial side of CMA. Again, na, shuai etc all configure in the skill context.
Aikiso is still an MA but the "soft" has to be mixed with the "hard"!
Trick wrote:From my own practice in Tongbeiquan and its many arm swinging exercises those “techniques” may work very well in sparring/fighting. But what I think is most important about those exercises is how effective and quick they make one aware of ones center and drawing from the ground up through the body. Practiced diligently ones core muscles are developed while shoulders and arms stay relaxed all in a union. One develop whole body power generation relatively quick and effective for combat, it not only comes out in the big swinging long arm techniques but also in short and even subtle striking, and as you say those arm swing exercises can and will work in union with sword or rather sabre practice......(Now I understand that Aikido might be an MA you not think very highly about. But just to take an example Aikido is an MA where it’s unarmed and armed(Japanese sword/bokken) practice can be seen as one and the same)........Yes I agree in practice those basic arm swings will be a good aid to ones sword practice and vice versa
.Q. wrote:Always liked the mechanics in Tongbei weapons, which seems to be the same as what you're doing. I've learned some very basic arm swings from a preying mantis club and they've opened my eyes to how good those exercises are. Nothing loosens shoulders faster and more reliably than doing proper arm swings. That said proper arm swings actually involve quite a bit of details.
yeniseri wrote:Trick wrote:Practiced diligently ones core muscles are developed while shoulders and arms stay relaxed all in a union. One develop whole body power generation relatively quick and effective for combat, it not only comes out in the big swinging long arm techniques but also in short and even subtle striking, and as you say those arm swing exercises can and will work in union with sword or rather sabre practice......(Now I understand that Aikido might be an MA you not think very highly about. But just to take an example Aikido is an MA where it’s unarmed and armed(Japanese sword/bokken) practice can be seen as one and the same)........Yes I agree in practice those basic arm swings will be a good aid to ones sword practice and vice versa
A truth but it is interesting that Thai boxers will always come out ahead of CMA because their training is brutal and they do the conditioning routines that wrestlers, boxers and contact sports do. CMA practitioners tend to imagine that all soft, arm swinging tongbei (tongbei as absolute conditioning ) etc is all that is needed but liuhebafa is missing from much of what is CMA today hence the dismal outcomes in full contact.
Even shuaijiao (yes, I have bias on this) conditioning with practice and partner training can elevate the martial side of CMA. Again, na, shuai etc all configure in the skill context.
Aikiso is still an MA but the "soft" has to be mixed with the "hard"!
Trick wrote:yeniseri wrote:Trick wrote:Practiced diligently ones core muscles are developed while shoulders and arms stay relaxed all in a union. One develop whole body power generation relatively quick and effective for combat, it not only comes out in the big swinging long arm techniques but also in short and even subtle striking, and as you say those arm swing exercises can and will work in union with sword or rather sabre practice......(Now I understand that Aikido might be an MA you not think very highly about. But just to take an example Aikido is an MA where it’s unarmed and armed(Japanese sword/bokken) practice can be seen as one and the same)........Yes I agree in practice those basic arm swings will be a good aid to ones sword practice and vice versa
A truth but it is interesting that Thai boxers will always come out ahead of CMA because their training is brutal and they do the conditioning routines that wrestlers, boxers and contact sports do. CMA practitioners tend to imagine that all soft, arm swinging tongbei (tongbei as absolute conditioning ) etc is all that is needed but liuhebafa is missing from much of what is CMA today hence the dismal outcomes in full contact.
Even shuaijiao (yes, I have bias on this) conditioning with practice and partner training can elevate the martial side of CMA. Again, na, shuai etc all configure in the skill context.
Aikiso is still an MA but the "soft" has to be mixed with the "hard"!
Yes for sure, for many in the TC(and Japanese)MA’s the “lack of proper” sparring don’t serve them in a good way if facing an Thai-boxer for example..if one want to join the free sparring circus one has to practice free sparring this is the truth.....within the Tongbei group/teachers I practiced with the younger ones where quite eager to put on gloves and spar(boxing style) they also practiced on heavy bags and focus pads(so they are not completely lost;)
“Aikiso is still an MA but the "soft" has to be mixed with the "hard"!” In essence that’s what they strive to do - join, not clash
MaartenSFS wrote:May I ask you where this group trained and if there are any videos of them in action?
MaartenSFS wrote:Okay. Thank you for elaborating. Now I see the full picture. It's a shame that I can't get a look at their training/sparring from here..
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