Mrwawa wrote:Robert,
I know that CXW and FZQ worked together quite a bit, and so was just trying to figure out who taught who, as they are very similar.
robert wrote:wayne hansen wrote:Just another version of the Tien Gan
I have a set from the Wu style that I do that is very similar
Also the Yang noi gung
I agree. I learned tian gan as part of my xingyi training. In bagua I learned the tea cup exercise, windmill arms, piercing palms and so on. These are silk reeling exercises as well. When I was first learning taiji I studied with BK Frantzis and he had us learn a couple qigongs before we learned the Wu style short form. Simple exercises to learn loose, relaxed, connected movement. HXX's five loosening exercises and so on.
Bao wrote:
They studied XY in Chen village
Chen Style Taijiquan (1996 release, I think)
robert wrote:
I don't see anywhere in what I quoted above that CXW says he invented silk reeling. What CXW did was put together a set of SREs to teach people the basic body mechanics of taijiquan. CXW put together a new training system for Chen taijiquan.
GrahamB wrote:
"Q: People are often surprised to hear that the reeling silk exercises are such a recent addition to the Chen Taijiquan training syllabus, assuming that they have always been trained in Chenjiagou?
CXW: Before that nobody can produce any material regarding this. Before 1984 any reference to silk reeling must be considered as anecdotal as there is no written record available to support it. You can look up all written material prior to this and you would not find any mention to support its use. "
So, it seems he's not saying he invented the concept of silk reeling, but he is saying he invented the exercises in 1984. However, the Shen and Gu book from 1963, would seem to contradict this.
If you take one move in taijiquan and repeat it over and over with connected movement that is a silk reeling exercise. If someone is having a hard time with yun shou and you have them do it with one arm with connected movement, that's a silk reeling exercise. That's not part of a syllabus, that's just training.
Mrwawa wrote:Hi all,
I am curious about the origin of silk reeling exercises in chen style taijiquan. I have read references made to Chen xiaowang being the originator, but as Feng zhiqiang also practiced the silk reeling Qigong, it seems like it would have passed from FZQ to CXW. Really just academic, I'm just curious. Thanks for any information.
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