everything wrote:if the "smoothed" and "large frame" Yang form of Yang Chengfu is what most people know about, then what was the "form" that Yang Luchan likely did? How about Jianhou? Sure, sure "old secrets" blah blah but what do you think people think?
everything wrote:so as we go back, something more rigorous, "martial", etc. if you are "Yang the Invincible" or martial arts instructor at court, it would have to be so, right (unless everything is a giant sham)? if someone in later generation than "smooths" it for more popular appeal/adoption, that would make sense. but did the form become "longer"? why would it?
The Professor simplified the form during the Sino-Japanese war.!°
He was in charge of martial arts training in Hunan Province. Martial arts instructors from throughout the province came to be trained by him. After discovering that there wasn't enough time to teach the long form to those who wanted to learn taiji, the Professor shortened the form. He didn't simplify the form with the intention of increasing its popularity, as some people believe.
One of the persistent myths in Taiji is that when Yang Luchan went to Beijing, he made the training easier by taking out all the hard stumping and jumps from the form to make it easier for the nobles.
There has been two reasons supplied for his doing so:
1) the form would otherwise be too difficult for the nobles,
2) he didn’t want to teach the real art to the Manchurians who invaded and took control of China in 1644.
If we just take a step back and take a look at everything else we know to be true about the martial art scene in Beijing at the time, we can easily conclude this not to be true.
To start, both of these reasons implies the true essence of Taiji lies within powerful stumps and high jumps.
But those are not what make basic Taijiquan skills work, or makes it different from other martial art right?
nicklinjm wrote:Having just been there a few weeks ago, I saw at least 3 schools coming down from different lines of Yang Banhou's disciples
everything wrote:so as we go back, something more rigorous, "martial", etc. if you are "Yang the Invincible" or martial arts instructor at court, it would have to be so, right (unless everything is a giant sham)? if someone in later generation than "smooths" it for more popular appeal/adoption, that would make sense. but did the form become "longer"? why would it?
everything wrote:but in any case, so it seems he learned Chen long forms, probably a giant repertoire of moves and lessons and applications. but I wonder what he personally did. I guess to answer my own questions
everything wrote:but I wonder what he personally did.
everything wrote:in a short section on "long form" it says more or less that once you learn all the postures, join them together in a long form/routine.
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