johnwang wrote:https://newmediamax.com/article/1ikz8e4fg2886.html
太極拳的初創者陳王廷共創編了一至五路十二勢,炮捶和長拳十個套路,五傳至陳長興、陳有本時,陳家溝開始由博返約,將十三勢一至五路合為陳式太極拳一路,炮捶成為陳式太極拳二路,而長拳則已很少人練習
Taiji founder Chen Wang-Ting created 1 - 5 Roads 12 Shi, Pao Chui and long fist 10 roads, Chen Village combined
- 1 - 5 Roads 13 Shi into Chen Taiji form 1st road.
- Pao Chui into Cheng Taiji form 2nd road.
Nobody trained the long fist form any more.
Bao wrote:The article is about the Li family documents. It’s just a hoax.
johnwang wrote:https://newmediamax.com/article/1ikz8e4fg2886.html
太極拳的初創者陳王廷共創編了一至五路十二勢,炮捶和長拳十個套路,五傳至陳長興、陳有本時,陳家溝開始由博返約,將十三勢一至五路合為陳式太極拳一路,炮捶成為陳式太極拳二路,而長拳則已很少人練習
Taiji founder Chen Wang-Ting created 1 - 5 Roads 12 Shi, Pao Chui and long fist 10 roads, Chen Village combined
- 1 - 5 Roads 13 Shi into Chen Taiji form 1st road.
- Pao Chui into Cheng Taiji form 2nd road.
Nobody trained the long fist form any more.
greytowhite wrote:
What do you make of this article?
Summary: Chen Yanxi trained people in the Liuhe Tongbeiquan tradition that his family preserved and it was called the Taiji Changquan. It was passed on to Jiang Rong Qiao and Yao Fuchun by Tang Shilin and Xu Zhan'ao. This would correspond to the period when Chen Yanxi was teaching for Yuan Shikai as Yuan Keding taught this art.
https://min.news/en/culture/f61afe55c2b ... 85ad8.html
twocircles13 wrote:Bao wrote:The article is about the Li family documents. It’s just a hoax.
I know that the authenticity of source of the Li Family documents had been questioned, which would always be appropriate for such a find. I had the impression that the powers at be in China had done a lot to make the find and Chinese Internet coverage of the find disappear, because it didn’t to fit with the cash flow of the current narrative. However, I had not heard of any official denouncements of the material as forgeries or inauthentic.
Do you have a source for your pronouncement?
Bao wrote:twocircles13 wrote:Bao wrote:The article is about the Li family documents. It’s just a hoax.
I know that the authenticity of source of the Li Family documents had been questioned, which would always be appropriate for such a find. I had the impression that the powers at be in China had done a lot to make the find and Chinese Internet coverage of the find disappear, because it didn’t to fit with the cash flow of the current narrative. However, I had not heard of any official denouncements of the material as forgeries or inauthentic.
Do you have a source for your pronouncement?
The facts speak for themselves.
1. The characters of the steele rubbings look more like modern tomb stone inscriptions and don't match the style of temples, especially not from that time. Also, Wong Yuen-Ming said he had looked at the documents and that he could see right away that it was a forgery.
2. The stones were supposedly the only thing preserved from the temple, but they were conveniently "lost".
3. The temple isn't mentioned in any official or historical document (it is completely made-up)
4. The story tries to explain why there are taoism, buddhism and confucianism mixed in Tai Chi, in a way that is completely artificial and redundant. Anyone who understands the history of Chinese religion would get this.
5. There are also "facts" that contradict the former official story of Chen Wangting.
So the whole story and narrative, as well as the historical and cultural forgery, isn't even well made. The hoax is poorly made and frankly said just ridiculous.
If there was one or two "inaccuracies", you could still discuss or argue for its authenticity. But when nothing makes sense and there is no historical proofs for the temple or any supporting record of the poorly made-up story, or rather "fairytale", then there's no authenticity to discuss.
...If it quack's like a duck...
johnwang wrote:https://newmediamax.com/article/1ikz8e4fg2886.html
太極拳的初創者陳王廷共創編了一至五路十二勢,炮捶和長拳十個套路,五傳至陳長興、陳有本時,陳家溝開始由博返約,將十三勢一至五路合為陳式太極拳一路,炮捶成為陳式太極拳二路,而長拳則已很少人練習
Taiji founder Chen Wang-Ting created 1 - 5 Roads 12 Shi, Pao Chui and long fist 10 roads, Chen Village combined
- 1 - 5 Roads 13 Shi into Chen Taiji form 1st road.
- Pao Chui into Cheng Taiji form 2nd road.
Nobody trained the long fist form any more.
Ad_B wrote:Anyway, re: origins of Taijiquan.
I read alot of histories and tend to accept with Hai Yang (https://www.youtube.com/@HaiYangChannel) that Taijiquan as a particular set of principles & etc is probably no more than 400 years old. However, the individual principles and concepts originate anywhere from anytime on the evolutionary journies from stoneage to civilisation, healthcare, physical performance, survival, warfare, ordinary life, religions & philosophies, medicinals, martial arts, politics and economics & etc?
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If so, then to seek a further-back origins would actually be to seek the origins of 'the individual things and concepts' of that art ?
The reason I enquire in such a manner is because my experience of studying, exploring, training, evaluating, trying applying (to work life and ordinary life) and hopefully evolving into an 'operational persona' the priciples and dynamics of Taijiquan result in a 'spidey-sense', from realising the brilliance and beauty of this stuff relating to health/motility/energy/performance/attitude/spirit etc, is that its pre-Yang family Taijiquan origins must have been a very diverse, from a lot of co-related or unrelated disciplines and over a long period of time ?
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