Trick wrote:is ”shaolin xinyiquan” meaning to be xinyiba ?
xinyiba taulo if there ever was such they were lost, any such form is most certainly modern creation.
HotSoup wrote:Is there any video of “Shaolin Xinyi Quan - 心意拳 (Heart Mind Boxing) / Xie Quan - 斜拳 (Slanting Boxing)”?
salcanzonieri wrote:Trick wrote:is ”shaolin xinyiquan” meaning to be xinyiba ?
xinyiba taulo if there ever was such they were lost, any such form is most certainly modern creation.
Shaolin has two systems, the much ancient Louhan Quan system, all the forms start on the left.
the Rou Quan system, which comes from Xinyi Ba (didn't die out in the local villages, just at Shaolin itself), all the forms move to the right before going to the left (as does Tai Chi Quan - which all the moves of tai chi can be found in all the various Rou Quan system forms).
There are various forms from shaolin named XinYi Quan, originating from different time periods.
The Shaolin form most like Chen form is properly named "Xie Quan" slanting fist (from brush knee twist step).
Chen Xin in his book mentions that Chen uses (besides Tong Bei) the Song Tai Tzu Chang Quan form (which is also called Tai Tzu Visits Southern Tang).
The Shaolin Xie Quan (slanted boxing), also known as XinYi Quan, set contains all the material that is not found in the Taizhu Chang Quan set, that the Chen TJQ Yi Lu set uses!
Click on the link below to see the comarison chart that shows side by side the Chen Yi Lu set, the Shaolin Taizhu Chang Quan set, and the Shaolin Xie Quan set.
http://bgtent.com/naturalcma/images/comparison%20Chen%20TJQ%20vs%20Shaolin%20TZQ%20and%20XYQ.pdf
salcanzonieri wrote:
All the commonality between Xie Quan and Tai Ji set was discovered in the 1980s in China by French anthropologists. They did side by side comparisons of the drawing from both forms (as is reprinted in my book "The Hidden History of the Chinese Internal Martial Arts".
Trick wrote:It has been said for ages that most of if not all Chinese quan-fa originated at shaolin, so any new theories on that are not exactly mindblowing.
Shaolin and Chen village are in the same province so any exercises looking alike are nothing surprisingly, and what’s in vogue most want to do, think modern times - ninjutsu and bjj
salcanzonieri wrote:
There are pieces of it in this video, you can see all the really different postures found in Chen are also in this Shaolin Xie Quan, NO TWO other forms anywhere have these same movements/postures:
The actual Shaolin Xinyi Quan (少林 心意拳) / Xie Quan - Slanting Boxing (斜拳) is shown at 1:13 until 1:55. Only a piece of each of the 6 sections is shown
Read the charts in my previous post, the forms follow each other move by move (using the two Shaolin forms, Sung Tai Tzu Chang Quan and Shaolin Xie Quan, when one ends the moves are picked in the other form.
yes, that something has been said for ages doesnt make it to be the truth.....But yet new variations of that ”truth” notion proclamed as fact keeps being pushed.Bao wrote:Trick wrote:It has been said for ages that most of if not all Chinese quan-fa originated at shaolin, so any new theories on that are not exactly mindblowing.
Shaolin and Chen village are in the same province so any exercises looking alike are nothing surprisingly, and what’s in vogue most want to do, think modern times - ninjutsu and bjj
That something has "been said for ages" doesn't mean it's true. Martial arts already existed in China. They were brought in to the temple by wanted criminals and robbers taking refuge in temples. They got food and housing for protecting the temple.
"Shaolin arts" you see today in and around Shaolin are mostly longfist and wushu styles, very different from what scholars believe was practiced in the Shaolin temple. Also, what could be considered "Old Shaolin" has its roots in systems that developed around the early Song dynasty, around 500 years after the Shaolin temple was built. These arts already blended Taoist and Buddhists practice together.
The merging of Chen village Chen fist with local Longfist styles probably happened very late, after the time of Yang Luchan.
HotSoup wrote:Never mind, found your citations of T. Dufresne & J. Nguyen. What they've got to say about the hidden hand punch is something I’ve been wondering about for some time. Must admit, this video and their research are both very peculiar, to say the least!
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