salcanzonieri wrote:As per comments I made in the past about Chen FaKe changing the Laojia form (the New Frame is entirely a different thing), what has been pointed out to me is that I am seeing early Chen FaKe Beijing version versus later Chen village version of the forms.
That is an important distinction. Who actually changed the forms?
For example the posture shown here (in the 4 videos I posted above)
video 1 - Du Yu Ze style look at 2:10-13
video 2 - Chen Fake's oldest early student in Beijing look at 2:42
video 3 - Feng ZhiQiang also early Chen Fake student in Beijing look at 2:58+
Video 4 - Chen Village style look at 2:59-3:01.
That is a DRASTIC posture change.
The original sequence came from using the sword and follows through into the subsequent movements, in the first 3 videos it is obvious from sword fighting techniques.
Chen village video 4 shows something very impractical to do and changes the function of the postural movements very much.
And that is one example of many changes. The changes to the form change the function of the movements.
Video 2 and video 3: Lei Muni was an early student. Feng Zhiqiang was probably one of his last students but for sure not an early student, he studied the last 7 years of Chen Fake with him.
Chen Zhaopi who was the teacher of f.e. Chen Zhenglei in Video 4 was son and disciple of his father Chen Dengke, but he also studied with other people like Chen Fake but also Chen Xin who is considered today from Xiao Jia lineage. Therefore it is possible that his Er Lu is different of the Er Lu from Chen Fake. Different lineages, different postures, so difficult to understand?