robert wrote:I don’t know if the characters are the same, but Chen taiji has a posture named Shan tong bei, 閃通背, flash through back. To say that indicates taiji came from tong bei is pretty far fetched.
yeniseri wrote:So I was looking up a few things on Baidu on some of the many unknown teachers of the past that no one has heard of outside of the mainland
and came across a passage that stated: "The current schools of taijiquan (Yang, Wu, Woo, Sun, etc) all have the term 'Tongbei' in various configurations but few seem
to know, understand or grasp its significance per usage! Chen style retains the name "Shuang Tongbei" in some circles but many concentrate on the character 'Shan'
Wu style, in it use of the word "Fan Tongbei' concentrates on the "Fan' element (character) and others dropped a stroke of the character "Tong"
and renamed it 'San Yong Bei' Another uses the term ' San Yong Bei' where San/Three is not counted but the name has survived and very few, if any
are capable of understanding the concept.
Anyone familiar with what I appear to be talking! about or I am spitting at the Heavens and saying nothing?
NOTE: Tongbeiquan is the art initially referenced and stated to be an origin of taijiquan but many principles of the past got lost over centuries and I am trying to
understand the Tongbei meaning. The meaning, from my understanding of the translated word appears to be referencing yangsheng elements with martial undertones/usage. I can see the character and at times missing strokes but I cannot understand the meaning. I realize that due to the change to simplified
strokes in the current language, many of the concepts of old have lost their meaning, or have a different level of understanding.
Bao wrote:Tongbei just means that the strength comes from the back (/spine).
Steve James wrote:Bao wrote:Tongbei just means that the strength comes from the back (/spine).
Yeah, but it's the how that makes it different in each art. It's a specific idea. It's like there is a weight in each hand and the arms are like ropes. It's possible to do SW with "the tongbei idea." In fact, maybe Jarek or Miro might be able to confirm the existence of tongbei taijiquan.
Afa tjq and the names it uses. Most have to come from pre-existing styles and ideas. For ex, take 'kao' or shoulder or 'jou' elbow, I think they can be used in a baji way. Yeah, I know the purists will complain that it's no longer tjq.
Tongbeiquan arm idea of through the back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqglwyKOydU
Trick wrote:TJQ is TBQ as my teacher pointed out when i first met him, ”so im gonna teach you TBQ alongside TJQ and you will quickly get it”
wayne hansen wrote:Just from observation I think how we open the joints in TCC differs from Tong Bei
They seem to extend the joints where we make mobile the joint rotation
D_Glenn wrote:Here’s the long answer: https://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?p=494404&sid=6138d7d00432a42130c2bd7c0ef92d6b
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