Kelley Graham wrote:Note the miss and recovery, that's one reason why you whip inside. Another reason is accept the rebound. The structural steel I'm bashing weighs well over 100 pounds. The hammer weighs 8 pounds, i think. I enjoy bashing things. The closest jin for this at impact is 'an', feels like squeeze and stretch or stretching squeeze. The miss and recovery feels like single whip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOAve2CN3PY
Bao wrote:Kelley Graham wrote:Note the miss and recovery, that's one reason why you whip inside. Another reason is accept the rebound. The structural steel I'm bashing weighs well over 100 pounds. The hammer weighs 8 pounds, i think. I enjoy bashing things. The closest jin for this at impact is 'an', feels like squeeze and stretch or stretching squeeze. The miss and recovery feels like single whip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOAve2CN3PY
Good demonstration. Exactly, the intention is to "squeeze", or internally "stretch" into the target, not to "pull back" the weapon like a whip. You recover automatically when you miss if you are in balance and have a good structural support behind the strike/hit.
If you look at videos when people train the bull whip and screw up hitting themselves or others is that they can get nasty cuts in their face or on the arm, but they never cut off their whole head or arm. A sword is used to cut off things, a sledge hammer for breaking things. Each weapon has its own use, you shouldn't try to use one weapon as another. If you want to learn how to penetrate your target and make real damage, you shouldn't focus on developing a "whip-like" power. Instead you should learn to use the arm like a tool and support the "tool" on the impact with your whole body, and stretch into the target.
origami_itto wrote:Something with a lighter blade and heavier handle will snap back but a heavy blade isn't going to want to come back.
If you time it right with whatever rebound you can get and you rotate around the correct pivot in the weapon, then you can get a ton of power in your 1-2 strike.
Bao wrote:origami_itto wrote:Something with a lighter blade and heavier handle will snap back but a heavy blade isn't going to want to come back.
If you time it right with whatever rebound you can get and you rotate around the correct pivot in the weapon, then you can get a ton of power in your 1-2 strike.
Your hand is not a blade, it can't split something or slice something. It's not a good comparison. Again, you shouldn't try to mix the use of one weapon with another one. A blade can break if you try to use it as an axe or a club.
Also, you need consider strategy. In the martial arts, you would rather want to use the first attack or attacks as set-ups. Fully committed energy is applied when you know you can penetrate or enter the opponent's defense.
Attack patterns as attacking with lighter and heavier blows:
light - light - heavy
light - heavy - heavy
light - heavy - light - heavy - heavy
origami_itto wrote:How much experience you have with sword and shield combat?
The bian and dao are 90% similar in usage, particularly on "the battlefield" with other mele weapons and armor involved.
What I'm describing is a technique that causes the opponent to have to block on both sides in a very short span of time, and with greater familiarity you can vary the angles to be almost any attack you like.
The whip was used in SEA it features in FMA
Steve James wrote:Maybe I'm wrong but, from a practical perspective, I'm not sure a "sword breaker" attacked swords; rather, swords would break on them. That doesn't mean they were purely defensive; they were probably more effective as blunt force weapons, especially against armor.
It seems the big question here is about the name "whip." Fwiw, I don't think the idea was anything like the traditional cowboy 'bull whip'. I'm not even sure that sort of whip was prevalent in Asia. It's not what's been pictured earlier as a bian. So, we're not talking about that. In terms of a whipping action, however, as wayne said, it's the body that's doing the whipping.
But, using the bull whip analogy, all the happens is that a force starts at a root (handle/body) and is transmitted to the tip (fingers). That sounds familiar. Afa the necessity of the whip needing to go backward before going forward, that's also a familiar tcc idea. I'll get flamed, but try to jump up without going down.
Bao wrote:origami_itto wrote:How much experience you have with sword and shield combat?
I have never fought on a real battlefield and neither have you I presume.
The bian and dao are 90% similar in usage, particularly on "the battlefield" with other mele weapons and armor involved.
Not really, the dao's blade is a slicer, you don't hack with it in the same way as with an axe. Though most people believe so because they never learned to use it. But on the battlefield there's a difference, I can agree with that. When it was put it in the hands of peasants without any training, they also used it more or less as an axe. But again, this is not the purpose and intended function of the weapon.
What I'm describing is a technique that causes the opponent to have to block on both sides in a very short span of time, and with greater familiarity you can vary the angles to be almost any attack you like.
The sword breaker was never meant to use as a main weapon.
Steve James wrote:Cool. Now Dan Bian is what kind of whip, specifically? My point was that it's not the shepherd's whip, and that we shouldn't say it's Not a "whip" because it isn't a shepherd's whip.
Steve James wrote:What is the weapon held in the hand? Not the dan, but which of the bians?
origami_itto wrote:Don't convince me, convince the ancient Chinese scholars who wrote the manuals for both and stated directly that the techniques are mostly the same.
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